CFET WK181 10000 round test and report
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Thanks for the Review. I doubt 85% of all Wks would ever see this high of round count. Though battle rifle it is not. It's good to see some positives. while the failures unacceptable, I think ammunition could contribute to this partially especially shooting x39.
Which guns are next? I'd love to see how APCs fare as they are over 2 the cost of a WK.
Which guns are next? I'd love to see how APCs fare as they are over 2 the cost of a WK.
Well, I was on the fence about selling mine a couple of months ago... kind of glad I did now.
fritzhanzel
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I disagree. We all know the cheap ass guns will have failures, especially since you are testing them under rough conditions.
I think it is a mistake to just assume that a B&T or a CZ will not show failures/similar failures. Most of them for sale often have only very few rounds through them.
The tests processes for B&T and CZ firearms that go into service with govt agencies / military forces are well documented and go into the millions of rounds. That is not to say they are always perfect, but they are nowhere near the <24% as reliable as a 1994 M4 level of reliability we saw with the WK181
These products are being used in many other nations in far higher numbers than Canadian made products are in Canada and consequently gather feedback faster especially as there are often more high round count users
The production quantities and economies of scale make the products often incomparable with Canadian firearms to whom producing a $1500 gun requires significant outsourcing or quality choices to be made that other producers need not make in the same way
The focus of CFET is to respond to poor Canadian firearm manufacturing quality and enable Canadian gun owners to make an informed choice based on the information presented to them, we may conduct tests on foreign made guns but for now given where the worst guns are coming from and which guns are being bought in the highest quantities we will focus on Canadian made
I wouldn't necessarily refer to the conditions as tough, just being used
r34skyline
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Would you be open to testing a T81?
Not unless someone could point out what can be learned that has not been learned from 42 years of armed forces use and several years of Canadian civilian ownership
NB: and even if that somehow happened we'd need people to put up enough sponsorship for us to do it. It's great to have such enthusiasm from people seeing these reports but we are running off our own finances/time and whatever donations we can get so have to really focus on those new products entering the market with lots of hype but little info and causing many to lose out
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There are problems with every gun if you treat it accordingly as you do.
I trust you have not google'd the several firearms you mentioned "as highly reliable". You may want to do that before putting yourself on the pedestal of "protecting Canadian customers".
Laughable.
I am also giving you an example. You are running the guns through all kinds of ammunition, military do not do that, they are using the best available ammo for the task and the gun. I think you are looking for problems. Before you even started with the WC181 and the BCL Siberian (which is next), the outcome was predetermined. I'd say save your ammo and stop begging for donors.
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Right. because every gun owner is only going to buy one type of ammunition, and one type of magazine, for the entire time they have the gun.
A quality civilian firearm should not need bespoke and specialized ammunition to function reliably. there is a significant difference between claiming a gun is non functional because it has issues with one pattern of magazine or one brand of ammo, and consistent failures across multiple ammo and magazine types. the latter is indicative of an inherent design flaw, not an ammo issue.
