When pistols return: your first buy?

calmex said:
Bill, first of all, I agree with you. However:

Winston, I believe, said that "In war, the truth is so precious that it must be surrounded by a bodyguard of lies." I would suspect that at the upper reaches of politics that is also true. I believe even attempting to answer the question would be almost political suicide. It's a Catch-22 question. It sewered O'Toole. I believe that the question simply must be avoided. If I was pressed for further opinion, I could only answer "he needs to win first".

If he doesn't do what's needed, then the Canadian toilet-tank spiral will continue. Even if he does "enough for now", it will never be enough going forward because the pressure to disarm will continue unabated. I do believe that the forces against us are so great that it would take a societal shift to change things, perhaps even an international calamity. These are things I do not hope for, having spent enough time in Central America and Mexico during much of their "troubles", I think that social collapse is not a good thing. It doesn't always go the way one wants it to.

In another thread somewhere on this CGN Forum a member has asked: "Who will take the guns away from the bad guys?" This is what needs to be focused on. Because it's the elephant in the room. Everytime the Mexican Security Forces have attempted it, it's been a disaster. It's not because they're undertrained or unready: it's because the bad buys are totally trained, equipped, and ready and will not play fair, something which society seems to always insist on from our Security Forces. We are entering an area here where I cannot write about certain aspects of the topic without betraying confidences, but believe me it's a huge problem which will totally not be resolved by collecting firearms from the law abiding.

I do not believe Canadian gangs are anywhere near as sophisticated or as well armed as the Mexican and Central American groups, but they would still be pretty dangerous if confronted. It's an interesting topic for sure, and one I have my own opinions on. But the real question remains: who is going to take the guns from the bad guys? The fact that every possible alternative seems to be on the table instead of answering that question tells one something.
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Great answer and your final sentence is 1000% spot on!
 
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I’ll get a Ruger Super Redhawk Alaskan in 44 Mag. If we are day dreaming about buying handguns in Canada again might as well dream about ones with barrels less than 4.2” since it’s all just a dream.
 
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BillSussman44 said:
I’ll get a Ruger Super Redhawk Alaskan in 44 Mag. If we are day dreaming about buying handguns in Canada again might as well dream about ones with barrels less than 4.2” since it’s all just a dream.
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If the ability to buy handguns does come back in one guise or another, I do not believe that they'll drop the barrel length restrictions. I mean, I'd love it if they did. I try to be positive about these things, but I won't put on rose colored glasses. At least, not until I see some action that favors our side -- for those still unclear on what I mean by "our side", I mean the side of the law-abiding gun-owners of Canada.

To try to show some inclination to stay on the original topic, I should point out once more that my first "buy" would be either a S&W 4.25 inch Model 66 or Model 19 Classic in .357 Magnum. How I'd love an older one of either with the 2.5-inch barrel, but as you say, for right now that's just dreaming. We need to start winning better than Charlie Sheen to start thinking like that.
 
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calmex said:
If the ability to buy handguns does come back in one guise or another, I do not believe that they'll drop the barrel length restrictions. I mean, I'd love it if they did. I try to be positive about these things, but I won't put on rose colored glasses. At least, not until I see some action that favors our side -- for those still unclear on what I mean by "our side", I mean the side of the law-abiding gun-owners of Canada.
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Handguns aren't coming back. They're banning plastic straws and combustion engines... all guns will be banned eventually.
 
BillSussman44 said:
Handguns aren't coming back. They're banning plastic straws and combustion engines... all guns will be banned eventually.
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In Canada and the U.S.. Important to note that. And don't say: "Those two countries are all that matter" because they aren't. In fact, those two countries lose more importance worldwide with each passing year. They are both in a downward slide. Before there's a worldwide ban on firearms, there will be some interesting action taking place negating the move in other places. I very much doubt it will be in Canada where it starts (although the truckers pushed back here first and were copied later on in many places), but there are too many other countries that run on the very edge of uncontrollable and they simply will not obey. And good luck trying to make them.

Schools should not be teaching boys that they might be girls and girls that they are somehow superior -- they should be concentrating on teaching the youngers how to survive in the developing world. That's off the table, though. One has to go learn by oneself. Which is a bit dangerous and quite exciting. Focus on Canada more as a delaying action in a worldwide drama in which our own Drama Queen is considered to be little more than a "Little Patoot" (which is what I suspect they actually called him). The future is very much in a downward spiral for the 1st World countries. There is still good living to be had out there, but it's just not here. The radiation therapy is still a good deal here though. If one needs it.
 
calmex said:
In Canada and the U.S.. Important to note that. And don't say: "Those two countries are all that matter" because they aren't. In fact, those two countries lose more importance worldwide with each passing year. They are both in a downward slide. Before there's a worldwide ban on firearms, there will be some interesting action taking place negating the move in other places. I very much doubt it will be in Canada where it starts (although the truckers pushed back here first and were copied later on in many places), but there are too many other countries that run on the very edge of uncontrollable and they simply will not obey. And good luck trying to make them.

Schools should not be teaching boys that they might be girls and girls that they are somehow superior -- they should be concentrating on teaching the youngers how to survive in the developing world. That's off the table, though. One has to go learn by oneself. Which is a bit dangerous and quite exciting. Focus on Canada more as a delaying action in a worldwide drama in which our own Drama Queen is considered to be little more than a "Little Patoot" (which is what I suspect they actually called him). The future is very much in a downward spiral for the 1st World countries. There is still good living to be had out there, but it's just not here. The radiation therapy is still a good deal here though. If one needs it.
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I agree with you 100%. All countries with globalist leaders are headed down a bad road. Look how Trudeau spoke out against the New Brunswick government for passing a bill that requires parents to be notified in order for their child to assume a new gender and/or name in school. Let that sink in… our federal government thinks CHILDREN should be able to change their gender without parental consent and people still support this party!
 
calmex said:
Bill, first of all, I agree with you. However:

Winston, I believe, said that "In war, the truth is so precious that it must be surrounded by a bodyguard of lies." I would suspect that at the upper reaches of politics that is also true. I believe even attempting to answer the question would be almost political suicide. It's a Catch-22 question. It sewered O'Toole. I believe that the question simply must be avoided. If I was pressed for further opinion, I could only answer "he needs to win first".

If he doesn't do what's needed, then the Canadian toilet-tank spiral will continue. Even if he does "enough for now", it will never be enough going forward because the pressure to disarm will continue unabated. I do believe that the forces against us are so great that it would take a societal shift to change things, perhaps even an international calamity. These are things I do not hope for, having spent enough time in Central America and Mexico during much of their "troubles", I think that social collapse is not a good thing. It doesn't always go the way one wants it to.

In another thread somewhere on this CGN Forum a member has asked: "Who will take the guns away from the bad guys?" This is what needs to be focused on. Because it's the elephant in the room. Everytime the Mexican Security Forces have attempted it, it's been a disaster. It's not because they're undertrained or unready: it's because the bad buys are totally trained, equipped, and ready and will not play fair, something which society seems to always insist on from our Security Forces. We are entering an area here where I cannot write about certain aspects of the topic without betraying confidences, but believe me it's a huge problem which will totally not be resolved by collecting firearms from the law abiding.

I do not believe Canadian gangs are anywhere near as sophisticated or as well armed as the Mexican and Central American groups, but they would still be pretty dangerous if confronted. It's an interesting topic for sure, and one I have my own opinions on. But the real question remains: who is going to take the guns from the bad guys? The fact that every possible alternative seems to be on the table instead of answering that question tells one something.
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same problems all over the worlds. look up the no go zones in france and police is highly trained (at least Raid, BRI and GIGN, GIPN) the same and taking away from legal owners even if easier wont do it as well ...
 
BillSussman44 said:
I think the only way any of us will ever get to buy a pistol again legally will be to move to the USA. When has the Government of Canada ever lessened gun laws?
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^^^^

Well, Harper did deep-six the LGR. As a consequence, there are 10's of thousands of cool long guns (many semi-auto) that the government is unaware of. That's a good thing.
 
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