22 ARC, the 22-250 killer

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Buckmastr said:
Go ahead. Nothing stopping you. If you find the time, please take a picture. I love seeing dead things.
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Well, I aint really the type to take pictures of dead dogs and badgers, namely cause I don't shoot them. But I have no doubt some will. When I shoot to 500 yards its at paper.

Bet it clobbers deer size game real good up close too though.

Why limit oneself to lower BCs and more wind drift if you can have less, coupled with good bullet performance? Ever?
 
Buckmastr said:
Is this the hunting sub-forum?
BC matters very little when I’m killing game.
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BC doesn't matter when you're shooting a 7mm-08 Rem Mag @ 3300 fps

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Chambers and cartridges designed for each other in tandem, and those cartridges available right off the shelf, are never bad either
 
Buckmastr said:
Go ahead. Nothing stopping you. If you find the time, please take a picture. I love seeing dead things.
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I have many photos of animals killed beyond 400 yards, mostly with a 300 Win Mag shooting 200gr ELD-X. Because ballistic coefficient. Furthest coyote was 350 yards, though. Come hunting on the bald prairies and you'll realize why we practice out to 600 yards.
 
Killing things at longer range is a combination of good shooting and knowing how your gear performs. Bullets drop and blow around. BC doesn’t prevent this.
 
Fudging the numbers in my books. A 22-250 can easily drive a 62 grain bullet 200+ feet faster. Ya more powder but more energy always comes at a cost. The only advantage is the twist rate for bullets over 80 grains for deer, and I'm thinking the percentage of those using 22 calibers for deer is not that many anyhow.
 
Buckmastr said:
Killing things at longer range is a combination of good shooting and knowing how your gear performs. Bullets drop and blow around. BC doesn’t prevent this.
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It definitely influences them. And its easier to know how your gear peforms when it drops less and blows around less.

The one thing BC never, ever does is hurt you. Literally all plus and no minus here lol
 
MRP said:
Fudging the numbers in my books. A 22-250 can easily drive a 62 grain bullet 200+ feet faster. Ya more powder but more energy always comes at a cost.
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Any cartridge can be loaded over pressure. In the above comparisons, it's a 52,000psi ARC vs a 62,000psi 22-250. The ARC in a bolt gun can be loaded to 62k which will only further increase the performance gap

You're shooting 62gr 22-250 @ 3780+ fps? In a 14 twist barrel?

The 22-250 Rem - Fast at the muzzle, slow downrange
 
todbartell said:
Any cartridge can be loaded over pressure. In the above comparisons, it's a 52,000psi ARC vs a 62,000psi 22-250. The ARC in a bolt gun can be loaded to 62k which will only further increase the performance gap

You're shooting 62gr 22-250 @ 3780+ fps? In a 14 twist barrel?

The 22-250 Rem - Fast at the muzzle, slow downrange
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Oh heck yeah, like you said look at the difference in 6 ARC data, gas gun vs bolt gun. Its quite a jump.

Anyone who wants to can get a heavy barrel spun on their 22-250 and more power to em. But the ARC comes very close with much less expense...in every sense.
 
I cant believe only one guy noticed that there were 2 different bullets compared in the spreadsheet...... if we could hunt with an ar its a good cartridge but other than a cpuple odd ball guns we are still allowed up here im never grabbing an arc when a 250 or creed could be had. As far as dead dogs go i havent met too many people that have seen as many coyotes in their lives as old buckmaster has killed, hes rotted the damn tailgate off of trucks from all the blood......
 
Thanks Rob. The truck stinks so bad that my wife and two girls complain when it’s parked in the garage. But that just reminds me of how it got that way.
I like the new ELDVT bullets. Hornady is a smart company. Lots of innovation and most importantly supply.
The ARC cartridge to me isn’t of interest. And in a bolt gun, fills a small niche between a 223 and 22/250. Which isn’t worth getting excited over. As you noted.
 
Buckmastr said:
Thanks Rob. The truck stinks so bad that my wife and two girls complain when it’s parked in the garage. But that just reminds me of how it got that way.
I like the new ELDVT bullets. Hornady is a smart company. Lots of innovation and most importantly supply.
The ARC cartridge to me isn’t of interest. And in a bolt gun, fills a small niche between a 223 and 22/250. Which isn’t worth getting excited over. As you noted.
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If more people actually did something, they would soon find that there really isn't a whole lot that is actually new, and worth getting excited over...But, that is exactly what marketing is supposed to do. "The new ARC has arrived! It will get you close, but will never get you close enough" Truth in advertising...

Spreadsheet hunting and shooting really isn't where it's at...especially when compared to rotting out tailgates because of excessive hydraulic fluid.

R.
 
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todbartell said:
Downrange Trajectory
22-250 50gr Vmax BUCKY BOAT TAIL @ 3800 fps
100y +0.7"
200y 0.0"
300y -4.6" (1.5moa)
400y -14.4" (3.4moa)
500y - 30.9" (5.9moa)
600y -56.4" (9.0moa)
700y - 94.2" (12.8moa)
800y -148.8" (17.8moa)

22 ARC 62gr ELD-VT @ 3300 fps
100y +1.0"
200y 0.0"
300y -5.3" (1.7moa)
400y -15.6" (3.7moa)
500y - 31.9" (6.1moa)
600y -55.2" (8.8moa)
700y - 86.9" (11.9moa)
800y -128.7" (15.4moa)

Velocity retention
Retains 3000 fps impact to :
22-250 : 190 yards
22 ARC : 130 yards

Retains 2000 fps impact to :
22-250 : 490 yards
22 ARC : 620 yards

Retains 1350 fps supersonic flight to :
22-250 : 740 yards
22 ARC : 1010 yards

Energy retention
Retains 1000 ft-lbs impact to :
22-250 : 190 yards
22 ARC : 265 yards

Retains 500 ft-lbs impact to :
22-250 : 450 yards
22 ARC : 670 yards

The numbers just get worse Bucky lol
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Now do it with the 62 gr bullet in a 22 - 250. - dan
 
Rman said:
If more people actually did something, they would soon find that there really isn't a whole lot that is actually new, and worth getting excited over...But, that is exactly what marketing is supposed to do. "The new ARC has arrived! It will get you close, but will never get you close enough" Truth in advertising...

Spreadsheet hunting and shooting really isn't where it's at...especially when compared to rotting out tailgates because of excessive hydraulic fluid.

R.
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What's the marketing hype/lies it isn't delivering on?

The idea that info has no application to real world hunting/shooting is strange.
 
I only like it because it’s another Grendel and in a well loved caliber so the just more and more the x39 case will never die and they will all own the AR length platform options for the next 100 years as the 20th century stuff can’t keep up.��

Ballistically does nothing for me. For varmints and fur collecting I’d be shooting something with way less sd and faster. For big game I’ll shoot that powder capacity but still have a 120 gr bullet minimum threshold so 6.5 is the only one that will work for me (and has for 6 seasons now). Steel punchers are also learning a similar thing about bullet weights and audibles and splash witnessing being better on the over 120 gr bullets over the 6mm’s etc. But bring it on anyway, the more hits off this case the better imo. 30 grains of power class is worthy of all this 21st century attention. Just as the manbun is worthy of the 40 gr class and so on with the other 21st century stuff now all following similar formulas (heavy for cal, fast twist, high bc/sd) etc. The 20th century options dying well deserved deaths lol, they did well.

As I buy a couple 308’s lol.
 
Watched a hornady podcast on the 22 arc. The ones they pointed out were, 22 nosler and 22 Valkyrie.

You somewhat have two schools in cartridge development. The old school is velocity; lots of powder down a tiny bore. The newer idea is fast twist, match bores, and purpose built vld bullets. Think 300 rum vs 300 prc.

The 22 arc maxes at 52,000 cup. 1:7 twist. One specialized 62gr varmit vld, and 75gr and 88gr match bullets. The podcast was a bunch of engineers and ballisticians geeking out.

It may become the most popular 22 centre fire released in decades. Time will tell. It really sounded like gains on the 22-250 started to equate about 300 yards. Superior wind drift and energy, due to high bc bullets. So I suppose that would matter to long range predator hunters and competition precision rifle AR shooters. There's the rub, most small and medium rifle calibers nowadays need to fit into a AR10 or 15. May 1 2020.
 
Joel said:
What's the marketing hype/lies it isn't delivering on?

The idea that info has no application to real world hunting/shooting is strange.
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What does it do, that a dozen other ancient and existing 22 cartridges don't do already? Pad that up with handloading, which most of that market does already, and the answer is nothing.
The idea isn't that info doesn't have an application, because obviously it does. The issue is when the info becomes the application, as opposed to actually going and doing something.

R.
 
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