So what can I buy that is non restricted and reliable

Unholysavage said:
My go-to response used to be modern sporter, but people selling them on the EE must be OD'ing on edibles. There are two listed for >$6k with $250 Faxon barrels and milspec triggers, with a smattering of "good, but not great" parts. You could buy a Bren 2 for 2 legged predators and a SL8 for a precision coyote slayer for that money, and have more reliable rifles to boot.

If you shop around and are willing to wait, an SL8 can be had for a good price.

I'm still on the fence with the Raven when it comes to reliability. But if I'm being honest I haven't seen a single post regarding reliability since they changed BCGs. People want to hate on the rifle because it's made by Lockhard, so that silence (IMO) is telling. It may be truly good to go.
The HK SL8 would be a coyote slayer, and it's a G36 inside so reliability is top of the heap. It's apparently muzzle heavy (heavy in general), and behind the AR-ish rifles for ergonomics. So I'd try to handle one first.
The x95 is the x95. Proven, compact, not all that accurate but every click will go bang in any conditions. Not easy to find right now, even used.
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If you want reliable, I'd skip anything made in Canada. Sl8 is reliable but can be a money pit to get it to where it needs to be but what decent quality rifle isn't expensive these days. If you can stand the weight, a stock SL8 isn't bad but you can also send it off to CSC and have them turn down and cerakote the barrel for not too many shekels. If it's one of the new ones without a chrome lined barrel, I imagine they could shorten it too but best to check with them. Accuracy is still acceptable with the turned down bbls. Fixing the ergos is a more expensive proposition.
 
Wolverine has their WS-MCR on sale for $1300 right now.

I know everyone likes to hack on the Canadian 180's, and no doubt there have been some lemons sold. But I have 3 MCR and one WK180 and found them to be very reliable despite having high round counts. The only problems I've faced were small issues like broken firing pins and worn out firing pin retaining pins (which happens on AR15's too) I had one gas piston break on one MCR but that was after many rounds.

I find them to have a nicer recoil impulse and more accurate than a "standard" AR15, too.

Drawbacks for hunting are the open receiver and they feel a little clunky.

Of course, there are more expensive options available as well, as listed above. The Tavor X95 is dead reliable and I would have no problem hitting a coyote at 200 yards with one. The biggest hurdle is getting familiar with the trigger but if you can handle a Glock trigger you can handle a X95 trigger. These days most people want their hunting rifle to be sub MOA but there have been a hell of a lot of coyotes killed with rifles that would be hard pressed to hit a 6" target at 200 yards.
 
Gatehouse said:
Wolverine has their WS-MCR on sale for $1300 right now.

I know everyone likes to hack on the Canadian 180's, and no doubt there have been some lemons sold. But I have 3 MCR and one WK180 and found them to be very reliable despite having high round counts. The only problems I've faced were small issues like broken firing pins and worn out firing pin retaining pins (which happens on AR15's too) I had one gas piston break on one MCR but that was after many rounds.

I find them to have a nicer recoil impulse and more accurate than a "standard" AR15, too.

Drawbacks for hunting are the open receiver and they feel a little clunky.

Of course, there are more expensive options available as well, as listed above. The Tavor X95 is dead reliable and I would have no problem hitting a coyote at 200 yards with one. The biggest hurdle is getting familiar with the trigger but if you can handle a Glock trigger you can handle a X95 trigger. These days most people want their hunting rifle to be sub MOA but there have been a hell of a lot of coyotes killed with rifles that would be hard pressed to hit a 6" target at 200 yards.
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I put a lightning bow in my tavor and helped improve the trigger feel. It's a reasonable cost compared to the upgraded trigger pack.
 
45C said:
Probably can’t use .243 for coyotes outside big game season?
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Aside from goofy ON rules, the 243 is fricken amazing on yotes. Use lightweight varmint bullets and it kills like nothing else I've used.



Mik123 said:
I put a lightning bow in my tavor and helped improve the trigger feel. It's a reasonable cost compared to the upgraded trigger pack.
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They are near impossible to find in Canada right now. :(
 
Gatehouse said:
Wolverine has their WS-MCR on sale for $1300 right now.

I know everyone likes to hack on the Canadian 180's, and no doubt there have been some lemons sold. But I have 3 MCR and one WK180 and found them to be very reliable despite having high round counts. The only problems I've faced were small issues like broken firing pins and worn out firing pin retaining pins (which happens on AR15's too) I had one gas piston break on one MCR but that was after many rounds.

I find them to have a nicer recoil impulse and more accurate than a "standard" AR15, too.

Drawbacks for hunting are the open receiver and they feel a little clunky.

Of course, there are more expensive options available as well, as listed above. The Tavor X95 is dead reliable and I would have no problem hitting a coyote at 200 yards with one. The biggest hurdle is getting familiar with the trigger but if you can handle a Glock trigger you can handle a X95 trigger. These days most people want their hunting rifle to be sub MOA but there have been a hell of a lot of coyotes killed with rifles that would be hard pressed to hit a 6" target at 200 yards.
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For sure, the WK isn’t the best made semi auto out there but I’d have no issues with shooting coyotes out to 200-250m with one. I’ve hit my 8” gong at 200m with a buddy’s first gen WK, I’m guessing it would be the same out to 300m with some kind of optic and a bit of range time.
 
421SuperDuty said:
Has anyone tried "fixing" the design with a rifle-length gas system and redesigned piston? Someone with a fully custom job?
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Fixing which design?

IMO the design of the WK180 is fine, it was the execution that suffered a bit. Mostly the assembly I think. Mine had a bunch of pretty loose fasteners. It's not rocket science to go through the rifle, tighten everything up and ensure the gas block is installed straight and has dimpled barrel so it doesn't move. Nope, you shouldn't have to do that on a new rifle but its a long way from the end of the world, for a pretty budget rifle.
 
I Dont Care About You said:
Fixing which design?

IMO the design of the WK180 is fine, it was the execution that suffered a bit. Mostly the assembly I think. Mine had a bunch of pretty loose fasteners. It's not rocket science to go through the rifle, tighten everything up and ensure the gas block is installed straight and has dimpled barrel so it doesn't move. Nope, you shouldn't have to do that on a new rifle but its a long way from the end of the world, for a pretty budget rifle.
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I don't think the WK180 gas system is acceptable. It should have a piston that follows the real AR-180 Tokarev-style multi-piece gas piston. And right off the bat you need to buy an adjustable gas valve or gas block to dial down the action's gassing since the (now mid-length for the WK180-2) gas system's length overgasses it too much. Since nobody is buying these to make restricted, they should come with rifle-length systems, but if you want to keep a mid-length system it at least needs an adjustable, better tuned gas block. Honestly if i was a machinist like grandpa (and had his tools and machines) i would buy a 180 and make that system myself (maybe even as a long-stroke like the PWS rifles), but all i can do is ask for it.
The R18 does both of these things right, it has a Tokarev multi-part piston and a rifle-length gas system, which is a big part of why they're far more reliable and durable (nothing that justifies the $1,000 premium however).
The SRV2, Templar, WS-MCR, etc, all have the exact same problem and are the same badly designed system in different dressings.
 
I don't think that "tuning" of the gas system is a design flaw. It would seem to me the gas port in the barrel is too big and lots of the problems follow on from there. Unfortunately making a hole smaller isn't an easy task.
 
I Dont Care About You said:
I don't think that "tuning" of the gas system is a design flaw. It would seem to me the gas port in the barrel is too big and lots of the problems follow on from there. Unfortunately making a hole smaller isn't an easy task.
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That is literally a tuning problem. The problems that a shorter gas system has with a rifle-length barrel will be far worse if the port is too big and cannot be choked off with an adjustable gas block/valve.
 
421SuperDuty said:
at that point i would literally rather just fly to Vegas and go magdump full-auto full-cap AK's and M4's at a range, probably cheaper
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You don't own those ones though...and they're in Las Vegas. Do I need to explain how this ownership thing works?
 
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