Winchester 101

The Remington Model 32 is probably the best American-made o/u. It went out of production during WWII and is the one that went on to become the Krieghoff Model 32 when a group of American shooters wanted to resurrect the gun. Remington sold the rights to the design to Krieghoff who steadily made improvements to the design and rebadged it as the K80 in 1980.

The Model 3200 came in the early 70's and was Remington's attempt to get back into o/u. It's well regarded by had some issues and there was a factory modification to solve a stock cracking problem. The 3200 went out of production in the mid-80's and while they've made other o/u since and none have come close to either of the older guns.

The Valmet was made by Marocchi as I recall. Same concept with the sliding top lock but a very different gun than the two Remingtons.
 
I owned a Valmet Lion which was made in Finland by Valmet same as the 412's I've seen. Not sure about the Marocchi connection.
 
Win/64 said:
I owned a Valmet Lion which was made in Finland by Valmet same as the 412's I've seen. Not sure about the Marocchi connection.
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I don't know what to make of it either. There's a Valmet on the EE with barrels apparently made by Marocchi. I know Marocchi made guns for several other brands including Winchester.
 
My reference to " the dream goes on " was with reference to those longing for things the way they were (Winchester's) prior to 1964.

The New Haven factory is in a "brownfield" industrial re-development zone, and it's currently for sale or lease, with State assistance being offered.

The South Carolina facility is FN's ... Reportedly, Olin Corporation ( USRAC manufactured certain "Winchester" guns under license from Olin) sold the remaining rights to the 70, 94, 1300 etc. to the corporation that owns
FN/Browning/Winchester, prior to an offer being rejected by a firm wishing to purchase the rights and New Haven facilities as a package. Pretty much end of story as far as "Winchester" and the New Haven, Connecticut facility goes.

US made O/U's ... the 32 was indeed a good one, and in some of it's "final" forms ( the Winchester 101's) ... the " Classic Doubles " O/U in various forms was a pretty decent gun as well.

My favourite American SxS has always been the A.H. Fox, with the Syracuse Lefever's being a close second. Just prefer them over the Parkers, L.C. Smiths & Ithacas.
 
beretta boy said:
US made O/U's ... the 32 was indeed a good one, and in some of it's "final" forms ( the Winchester 101's) ... the " Classic Doubles " O/U in various forms was a pretty decent gun as well.
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The Winchester 101 and the Classic Doubles are decent guns but do you consider them "American" when they were made in Japan?
 
Win/64 said:
I think ya got him there CB. :)
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I think BB knows where the Winchester 101 and CD guns were made. But it raises an intesting point about how American gun makers have often failed in their attempts to build an o/u on their own turf. Despite Winchester's success with the Model 21 when it came to an o/u they had them made in Japan, Italy and Spain. Remington gave up the 32, then abandoned the 3200 and the o/u that came subsequently aren't worth discussing.

Ruger continues to make the Red Label and that's about it.
 
Yes ... they certainly were manufactured in Japan ....
Should'a taken a "breath" between the two thoughts.

The Parker Repros are a pretty decent SxS too ... also Mfg. in Japan !
 
Classic Doubles

Originally Posted by beretta boy
US made O/U's ... the 32 was indeed a good one, and in some of it's "final" forms ( the Winchester 101's) ... the " Classic Doubles " O/U in various forms was a pretty decent gun as well.




I'll second the vote on the "Classic Doubles ". This is my Classic Skeet and probably one of those guns I'll hang onto for awhile. Has 27.5 inch ported barrels with very nice wood. I've since added a set of Briley extended skeet chokes.


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