if every powder manufacture needed a 100 million extra pounds to solve production just who is equipped to make that and if it's not for lets say 20 years it's needed who wants to put up the money to build the extra facilities to make it.
Suspension of Alliant Powder Orders
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antiqueguy
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Both Hodgdon and Alliant do not make their own powders go look at what Hodgdon owns now for brands. Most of Hodgdons powders are made here in Canada or down in Australia few made in the US some made in Belgium. Alliant seems like most of their powder comes from st marks down in Florida.
The problem is with an essential ingredient those places need to make their product. As I mentioned almost all the world's NC is made in Thailand, China and India. There are plenty of other places doing it but on a much, much smaller scale. Expanding that sort of operation is not easy as manufacturing large amounts of NC is extremely dangerous despite how easy it is for some to supposedly make it in their kitchen. I suspect those people haven't actually done it, even if they have it is completely irrelevant here.
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mmcintyre1220
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I stock pile everything I use. I don't care about what others do or don't do. I got caught in 2008 with very limited supplies on hand. Reloading components, ammo ect were very scarce at the time. I told myself never again. I won't get into quantities but let's just say I am probably good for the next 5 years shooting 3-400 rounds a week.
If you lived through the Iraq war shortages, you learned. Stack it wide and deep. - dan
Thought the very same thing .
It's a shame regardless. I have used their powders for years, with very good results. I hope they will be available in the future. - dan
You thought wrong. The whole factory can literally explode. It has happened in the past.
mmcintyre1220
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Absolutely! I was just getting into reloading and only had enough ammo on hand for a few range trips/ hunts. Young and new to the sport really. So many folks have been through a few shortages yet have still failed to learn from them.
mmcintyre1220
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Better than those crying about not having reloading components. With the war machine firing up, buy what you can now.
unstableryan
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hee hee. Saw this coming...
Not surprising considering there is a war going on in Europe & whoever is not involved is stocking up just in case!
Plus don't forget that China is the major world-wide supplier of nitrocellulose & they have apparently recently decided to mostly curtail its export.
But let's review where the powder we use is actually manufactured.
[FONT="]Bofors – Sweden[/FONT]
[FONT="]Reloder 7, 10x, 15, 16, 19, 22, 23, 25, N200, N201, N202, N203B, N204, N217, MRP, MRP2, URP[/FONT]
[FONT="]Nitrochemie Wimmis AG, Switzerland [/FONT]
[FONT="]Reloder 17, 26, 33, 50[/FONT]
[FONT="]PB Clermont – Belgium[/FONT]
[FONT="]AA4100, [/FONT][FONT="]Ramshot Big Game, Ramshot Enforcer, Ramshot True Blue, Ramshot LRT, Ramshot X-Terminator, Ramshot Zip, Ramshot Competition, Ramshot Silhouette, Ramshot Hunter, [/FONT]
[FONT="]Thales Australia[/FONT]
[FONT="]IMR 8208 XBR, Trail Boss, H 4895, H 4227, H 4198, Varget, H 4350, H 50 BMG, H 4831, H 4831 SC, H 1000, Retumbo, H 322, Benchmark[/FONT]
[FONT="]General Dynamics - Valleyfield, QC[/FONT]
[FONT="]IMR4166, IMR4451, IMR4955, IMR7977, IMR8133, IMR4227, IMR4198, IMR 3031, IMR4064, IMR4895, IMR4320, IMR4007, IMR4350, IMR4831, IMR7828, PB, SR4756, SR7625, SR4759, 700x, 800x, Target, IMR Blue, IMR Green, IMR Red, IMR Unequal, Clays, Universal Clays, International Clays, AA 5744, AA 2015, AA 2495, AA 4064, AA 4350, LT30, LT32,[/FONT]
[FONT="]General Dynamics – Crawfordsville, Florida, USA[/FONT]
[FONT="]HP 38, H 110, H380, H414, Lil' Gun, Hybrid, 100V, HS5, HS 6, HS7, H 335, BL-C(2), Titewad, Titegroup, Longshot, US869, Leverevolution, Superformance, CFE Pistol, CFE 223, W 231, W244, W 296, W540, W571, W572, W680, WST, WSF, WSH, AA Lite, W 760, W 748, W785, Supreme 780, AutoComp, StaBall6.5, Perfect Pattern, Hi-Gun, Silhouette, [/FONT][FONT="]Nitro 100NF, [/FONT][FONT="]AA #2, AA #5, AA #7, AA #9, AA1680, AA2200, AA2230, AA 2460, AA2520, AA 2700, MagPro, 11FS, TCM, [/FONT][FONT="]SMP 763 (Power Pro 2000MR), SMP 301 (Power Pro300MP), SMP 781 (Power Pro 4000MR), SMP 761 (PowerPro 3000LR), SMP 739 (Power Pro Varmint), SMP734 (PowerPro1200R), Ramshot Competition, Ramshot Silhouette, Ramshot TAC, Ramshot Grand, [/FONT][FONT="]WPT101, WPR289, [/FONT][FONT="]WPR 293, [/FONT][FONT="]OBP126, OBP244, ONP248, OBP513, OBP888, [/FONT][FONT="]WC856, WC857, WC 858, WC 814, WC 859, WC 818, WC 860, WC 815, WC 862, WC 819, WPR 260, WPR 270, WC 863, WC 864, WC 866, WC735, WC 294, WC 867, WC 687, WC 868, WC 816, WC 869, WC 827, WC 872, WC 886, WC 844, WC 855, WC 844T, WC 890, WCR 845, WC835, WC 846, WC 846S, WC297, SMP 795, SMP545, SMP860, SMP 842, SHP 831, SMP 843, SMP 992, SMP735, SMP715, SHP 923, SMP 744, SMP745, SMP746, SHP 941, SMP 849, SHP 944, SHP 832, SHP 947, SMP 855, SHP 948[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]Alliant Powders Radford, USA
[/FONT]
[FONT="]Bullseye, Unique, Clay Dot, Blue Dot, Green Dot, Red Dot, Promo, Power Pistol, Herco, Power Pistol, 2400, BE-86, E3[/FONT]
Plus don't forget that China is the major world-wide supplier of nitrocellulose & they have apparently recently decided to mostly curtail its export.
But let's review where the powder we use is actually manufactured.
[FONT="]Bofors – Sweden[/FONT]
[FONT="]Reloder 7, 10x, 15, 16, 19, 22, 23, 25, N200, N201, N202, N203B, N204, N217, MRP, MRP2, URP[/FONT]
[FONT="]Nitrochemie Wimmis AG, Switzerland [/FONT]
[FONT="]Reloder 17, 26, 33, 50[/FONT]
[FONT="]PB Clermont – Belgium[/FONT]
[FONT="]AA4100, [/FONT][FONT="]Ramshot Big Game, Ramshot Enforcer, Ramshot True Blue, Ramshot LRT, Ramshot X-Terminator, Ramshot Zip, Ramshot Competition, Ramshot Silhouette, Ramshot Hunter, [/FONT]
[FONT="]Thales Australia[/FONT]
[FONT="]IMR 8208 XBR, Trail Boss, H 4895, H 4227, H 4198, Varget, H 4350, H 50 BMG, H 4831, H 4831 SC, H 1000, Retumbo, H 322, Benchmark[/FONT]
[FONT="]General Dynamics - Valleyfield, QC[/FONT]
[FONT="]IMR4166, IMR4451, IMR4955, IMR7977, IMR8133, IMR4227, IMR4198, IMR 3031, IMR4064, IMR4895, IMR4320, IMR4007, IMR4350, IMR4831, IMR7828, PB, SR4756, SR7625, SR4759, 700x, 800x, Target, IMR Blue, IMR Green, IMR Red, IMR Unequal, Clays, Universal Clays, International Clays, AA 5744, AA 2015, AA 2495, AA 4064, AA 4350, LT30, LT32,[/FONT]
[FONT="]General Dynamics – Crawfordsville, Florida, USA[/FONT]
[FONT="]HP 38, H 110, H380, H414, Lil' Gun, Hybrid, 100V, HS5, HS 6, HS7, H 335, BL-C(2), Titewad, Titegroup, Longshot, US869, Leverevolution, Superformance, CFE Pistol, CFE 223, W 231, W244, W 296, W540, W571, W572, W680, WST, WSF, WSH, AA Lite, W 760, W 748, W785, Supreme 780, AutoComp, StaBall6.5, Perfect Pattern, Hi-Gun, Silhouette, [/FONT][FONT="]Nitro 100NF, [/FONT][FONT="]AA #2, AA #5, AA #7, AA #9, AA1680, AA2200, AA2230, AA 2460, AA2520, AA 2700, MagPro, 11FS, TCM, [/FONT][FONT="]SMP 763 (Power Pro 2000MR), SMP 301 (Power Pro300MP), SMP 781 (Power Pro 4000MR), SMP 761 (PowerPro 3000LR), SMP 739 (Power Pro Varmint), SMP734 (PowerPro1200R), Ramshot Competition, Ramshot Silhouette, Ramshot TAC, Ramshot Grand, [/FONT][FONT="]WPT101, WPR289, [/FONT][FONT="]WPR 293, [/FONT][FONT="]OBP126, OBP244, ONP248, OBP513, OBP888, [/FONT][FONT="]WC856, WC857, WC 858, WC 814, WC 859, WC 818, WC 860, WC 815, WC 862, WC 819, WPR 260, WPR 270, WC 863, WC 864, WC 866, WC735, WC 294, WC 867, WC 687, WC 868, WC 816, WC 869, WC 827, WC 872, WC 886, WC 844, WC 855, WC 844T, WC 890, WCR 845, WC835, WC 846, WC 846S, WC297, SMP 795, SMP545, SMP860, SMP 842, SHP 831, SMP 843, SMP 992, SMP735, SMP715, SHP 923, SMP 744, SMP745, SMP746, SHP 941, SMP 849, SHP 944, SHP 832, SHP 947, SMP 855, SHP 948[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]Alliant Powders Radford, USA
[/FONT]
[FONT="]Bullseye, Unique, Clay Dot, Blue Dot, Green Dot, Red Dot, Promo, Power Pistol, Herco, Power Pistol, 2400, BE-86, E3[/FONT]
Forgot to add that Alliant is simply a jobber / wholesaler to The Kinetic Group. Radford Arsenal, where the US manufactured powders are made, is still owned by the U.S. Army who recently leased the operation to BAE Systems.
If the US Army / US Gov't. said no more civilian sales, for supply management or politicial purposes, then no more civilian sales.
If BAE Systems is told by the UK Gov't to halt civilian sales, then there will be no civilian sales.
If Alliant can make more money selling to ammunition companies, then there will be no more sales to reloaders.
Don't forget that The Kinetic Group [the re-branded Vista Outdoors] was recently bought by a Vulture capital company. Anybody remember what happened to The Freedom Group?
It's not rocket science!
If the US Army / US Gov't. said no more civilian sales, for supply management or politicial purposes, then no more civilian sales.
If BAE Systems is told by the UK Gov't to halt civilian sales, then there will be no civilian sales.
If Alliant can make more money selling to ammunition companies, then there will be no more sales to reloaders.
Don't forget that The Kinetic Group [the re-branded Vista Outdoors] was recently bought by a Vulture capital company. Anybody remember what happened to The Freedom Group?
It's not rocket science!
hee hee. Saw this coming...
That's all you got?
That little would keep me up at night.
I thought the same. No matter how cool you think you are there are a million people doing better. My powder stash is of little concern but I could use some primers after loading 50,000 rounds in the last couple months.
