Interesting.
Its good that Wolverine stayed the course.
I`ms starting to think that the 10" upper might be the perfect combo (nimble / light etc etc). Do you use the same buffer setup with both uppers?
Fx9 or fpc
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Interesting.
Its good that Wolverine stayed the course.
I`ms starting to think that the 10" upper might be the perfect combo (nimble / light etc etc). Do you use the same buffer setup with both uppers?
Yes, this may change when I get the gun back. I want to use the gun for IDPA PCC Division. While the 10" barrel is legal in IDPA, as a Canadian I can't get a SBR stamp for shooting in the US. With that in mind I intend to shoot IDPA club shoots up here with the longer barrel. The 10" upper is just so much fun to shoot. Both uppers are or were extremely accurate. I just got a Raven so we will see which carbine prevails.
Take Care
Bob
The FX9 should ser you well but be prepared for nuisance issues. It can be picky with different Glock and Glock based mags. S&W now makes a PCC that you might want to consider. Not sure if it is in Canada yet but you could get one using the same mags as your Folder.
Take Care
Bob
Take Care
Bob
Well I said I in an earlier post that I would never buy one, but here I am almost a year later and I have one. And have zero regrets about having egg on my face for "saying never", eat crow, or whatever other adage describes me getting one of these things.
What's interesting is that last year, I also had a PC Carbine, which at one point years ago I said I would never sell. I sold it earlier this year.
Now the only PCCs I have are the FX9 and the FPC and I LOVE both of them. The FPC has really exceeded my expectations and despite some shortcomings that it has (in my opinion - I wrote about them in another post somewhere), they are really not enough to change my opinion that the FPC is a superb PCC. The accuracy is superb, the reliability is extraordinary, and yes, while it stinks that it doesn't take Glock mags and some of the functionality items are a tad goofy, I am delighted to have bought one.
Have zero plans to sell it, or my FX9 which is probably my favourite gun (aside from my X95). I think one really has to try them both. It is not really an apples to apples comparison because from a functionality perspective and likely from a utility perspective, they have designed and targeted for different functions. Try them both, like them both. It doesn't have to be a one or the other proposition.
What's interesting is that last year, I also had a PC Carbine, which at one point years ago I said I would never sell. I sold it earlier this year.
Now the only PCCs I have are the FX9 and the FPC and I LOVE both of them. The FPC has really exceeded my expectations and despite some shortcomings that it has (in my opinion - I wrote about them in another post somewhere), they are really not enough to change my opinion that the FPC is a superb PCC. The accuracy is superb, the reliability is extraordinary, and yes, while it stinks that it doesn't take Glock mags and some of the functionality items are a tad goofy, I am delighted to have bought one.
Have zero plans to sell it, or my FX9 which is probably my favourite gun (aside from my X95). I think one really has to try them both. It is not really an apples to apples comparison because from a functionality perspective and likely from a utility perspective, they have designed and targeted for different functions. Try them both, like them both. It doesn't have to be a one or the other proposition.
Agreed, each of the options come with their own set of compromises. It's all about "which compromise is best for you".
Haha, right on! Never say never again?
It's expected to change your opinion over time, especially as you get mileage logged on each rifle. Not only will your tastes change, you just come to notice different things about each - You're lucky to be able to get mileage on both over the same period, that's always great for perspective.
Yes, it seems to be my pattern with firearms. My problem is that I can't seem to keep my mouth shut, so I constantly have egg on my face. I remember telling a colleague over a decade ago that the SKS was a piece of garbage, he was stupid to pay $175 for one and that anyone who owns one is a moron, dropping money on something that old and decrepit. I guess I ate crow on that one, a decade later and 7 SKSs in tow and I unfortunately did not pay what he paid. Thankfully he had the maturity to not rub it in my face, though his wry smile said it all. Haha.
Oh, and then there's the lever actions - I must have dozed off during the PAL course on those, just like I dozed off during the c-section part of the birthing course, since I figured, only 20% of the time, won't happen to me. All my kids were born by c-section... Anyways with lever actions, I said, totally useless, only for cowboy dress-up wannabes, and said to my buddies who had them, "I will never own one...dumb and boring concept..." I now have five levers and enjoy them immensely, even though I don't dress up to be a cowboy nor purport to be one (my ignorance on display, yes).
And of course with the FPC, the inverse was true. I suspect much of my initial reluctance was negative Sub2000 bias. I have learned to (slowly) keep my mouth shut when it comes to personal opinions of firearms that I think I will either always own or never own. I used to argue (I think even here) that why would anyone sell a gun that they just bought brand new (I used to think it was all scams that people sold guns with only a few rounds shot). And here I was, doing the exact same thing - with some guns with only a few rounds shot. There are just some guns where even if they are brand new in the box, once you shoot them, you immediately know "this is not for me" or conversely "wow, this is more fun / fits me better, etc. than I thought".
I found two major problems (for me) and one minor, which I can easily tolerate.
The first big one - I cannot reach the mag release button with my right thumb. Just no way. Even if I change the grip, remove the rifle from the aiming position, and turn it 30-40 degrees left, it is hard to push the button controllably. I tried to move it to the right side. I don't feel comfortable manipulating my trigger finger around the trigger guard, trying to push the mag button. I found it quite easy to accidentally get the finger to the trigger guard when moving it back and forth, especially on the run. ROs can easily justify DQ watching this finger move. I was trying to find an enlarged mag release button for FPC, which could possibly fix the issue, but no luck yet. I tried to push the button with my left hand. I don't feel it right but may be it is just a matter of habit.
The second problem that I found - a short grip. To release the mag and let it fall, I have to lose my handgrip, which together with the need to turn the rifle to a side and move it left to reach the release button feels like a time-consuming and annoying hassle. Needless to say, all this leads to a total loss of the aiming stance, which I have to regain from scratch to continue shooting.
The minor inconvenience is the fixed stock length. I think I can live with it, though
Oh, free-flying mag spacers
I glued them with the silicon caulking, but they got loose after the third or fourth mag change. I need a better solution to keep spacers on.I love my FPC. I load up our 4x4 to head out on the trails for weeks at a time (when work allows for such). It is light and compact and fits easily wherever I need it to stow. It is much lighter than my 1895, SKS so I actually bring it with me on crown land back country hikes and it isn't so expensive (1895) that I worry about getting it damaged.
I am not trying to be tactical with it so I don't practice speed reloads or anything of that nature. My thumb can get to the mag release, but for the FPC intended purpose it is not important. I don't really use the safety. It can be disengaged from ready but not engaged. Not a big deal for my use case.
The polymer is glass reinforced and sturdy. No issues with holding zero. My only gripe is the brass deflector is also polymer and gets marred from +P ammo. Just cosmetic damage, but a thin steel insert here would have been nice.
I don't mind the stock but I don't need the mag holders since I am trying to go lightweight. Might be a little wide for some folk. Some other things when new you need to really slam the mags in place but that works itself out. No issues with spring tension being too stiff for me either. Mounting a sling you need to be aware it folds tight to the left side of the MLOK so don't plan on putting a QD mount there.
I won't get into the debate here but on the extremely rare chance I need it for wildlife I am fully confident in 9mm +P coming out of a PCC barrel. .357 power, low recoil and most important for a high adrenaline scenario - follow-up shots. If evening it helps me get a good night sleep on the ground, alone or with my dog on the other side of impassable terrain. Say a river crossing at night.
I am not trying to be tactical with it so I don't practice speed reloads or anything of that nature. My thumb can get to the mag release, but for the FPC intended purpose it is not important. I don't really use the safety. It can be disengaged from ready but not engaged. Not a big deal for my use case.
The polymer is glass reinforced and sturdy. No issues with holding zero. My only gripe is the brass deflector is also polymer and gets marred from +P ammo. Just cosmetic damage, but a thin steel insert here would have been nice.
I don't mind the stock but I don't need the mag holders since I am trying to go lightweight. Might be a little wide for some folk. Some other things when new you need to really slam the mags in place but that works itself out. No issues with spring tension being too stiff for me either. Mounting a sling you need to be aware it folds tight to the left side of the MLOK so don't plan on putting a QD mount there.
I won't get into the debate here but on the extremely rare chance I need it for wildlife I am fully confident in 9mm +P coming out of a PCC barrel. .357 power, low recoil and most important for a high adrenaline scenario - follow-up shots. If evening it helps me get a good night sleep on the ground, alone or with my dog on the other side of impassable terrain. Say a river crossing at night.
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Two Questions I suppose...
1) What are your plans to use it for?
2) Are you willing to do some upgrades to customize and make it run better?
These questions will probably direct you which way to go...
Cheers,
ACD
Those spacers are one of my major complaints about the FPC, actually....Oh, free-flying mag spacers
What do you think about permanently gluing the mag spacer onto the bottom of the grip?
