a thought on 10 rounders in an m14.
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Last time I've seen the subject, it was quite a taboo. Nobody would say if it latched in the m14...
They are the same dimension apparently, but do not have the square hole in the front for the mag catch that protrude from the oprod spring guide. And if you do cut that hole youself you've just made a prohibited device...
They are the same dimension apparently, but do not have the square hole in the front for the mag catch that protrude from the oprod spring guide. And if you do cut that hole youself you've just made a prohibited device...
Magazine capacity is dependent on what firearm the mag was designed for, not what it's used in.
If that was true, that cutting the hole in your AIA mag was "manufacturing" a M305 mag, then wouldn't the opposite also be true? That is to say, welding the hole up in a 20/5 M305 mag would then constitute "manufacturing" an AIA mag and therefore allow it to be full capacity in an AIA?
The above view is not supported by the actual regulations:
Note this section only refers to designed for, and not modified for. AIA mags are neither designed for, or manufactured for use in any other firearm and therefore capacity is not regulated.
Note (2) I am not, nor have I played on TV, a lawyer. I have never even stayed in a Holiday Inn Express. Any expressed legal opinion is for entertainment purposes only
If that was true, that cutting the hole in your AIA mag was "manufacturing" a M305 mag, then wouldn't the opposite also be true? That is to say, welding the hole up in a 20/5 M305 mag would then constitute "manufacturing" an AIA mag and therefore allow it to be full capacity in an AIA?
The above view is not supported by the actual regulations:
Note this section only refers to designed for, and not modified for. AIA mags are neither designed for, or manufactured for use in any other firearm and therefore capacity is not regulated.
Note (2) I am not, nor have I played on TV, a lawyer. I have never even stayed in a Holiday Inn Express. Any expressed legal opinion is for entertainment purposes only
Note (2) I am not, nor have I played on TV, a lawyer. I have never even stayed in a Holiday Inn Express. Any expressed legal opinion is for entertainment purposes only
damn Stevo...... I narrowly missed sprayin my keyboard and monitor with a mouth full of hot chocolate..... that is one hilarious "disclaimer"
you rock dude
I think it has been challenged before with the Remington Pump gun that takes AR15 mags. Because they can be used in a semi auto without modification, even if they were made by Remington specifically for their pump gun, they would still have to be limited to 5 rounds. Rifle to rifle is no go.
But a pistol mag that happens to fit a semi auto rifle with no mods is good to go. So you just have to get someone to design a pistol that uses M14 mags.....
But a pistol mag that happens to fit a semi auto rifle with no mods is good to go. So you just have to get someone to design a pistol that uses M14 mags.....
So you just have to get someone to design a pistol that uses M14 mags.....
Hmmm that would be interesting. I wonder how the recoil would be on one's wrist?
i've got the real thing mated to one of those beretta/springfield folding stocks- yea, the expensive one- with the stock folded, it takes a better man than i to get anywhere near managing it,( firing from the hip, just for the heck of it) let alone bringing it anywhere near a decent firing position- mind you i was using 180's at the time, but i also had the m-60 sling on it- with the stock folded , it should be somewhat similar to using a pistol grip only- think it was on about par as using as pistol grip only shotgun
Magazine capacity is dependent on what firearm the mag was designed for, not what it's used in.
If that was true, that cutting the hole in your AIA mag was "manufacturing" a M305 mag, then wouldn't the opposite also be true? That is to say, welding the hole up in a 20/5 M305 mag would then constitute "manufacturing" an AIA mag and therefore allow it to be full capacity in an AIA?
The above view is not supported by the actual regulations:
Note this section only refers to designed for, and not modified for. AIA mags are neither designed for, or manufactured for use in any other firearm and therefore capacity is not regulated.
Note (2) I am not, nor have I played on TV, a lawyer. I have never even stayed in a Holiday Inn Express. Any expressed legal opinion is for entertainment purposes only
Maybe you are right, but the fact that we can't make an answer for ourselves is the main problem. Also there was a thread about the suject long ago; the CFC won't answer anything concerning this thing. Once I've got the go-code from these slugs I'll be the first to order AIA mags...and email AIA to build 20-rounders...
Personally, I would hold off until someone receives an official letterhead document stating that it's ok.
Yes except the right prosecuting lawyer can probably argue that cutting the hole was "re-manufacturing" the magazine and therefor its a prohibited device.
While at the same time the prosecuting lawyer can argue that just cause you modified the magazine not to have the hole so its only useful in AIA rifles and not M14/M1A rifles they could interpret the law stating that the magazine was "modified" not manufactured.
The 2nd one would be ideal for us, as then cutting a new hole in the AIA magazines would be good to go, but seriously who'd risk it ??
I know I wouldnt. Dimitri
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AIA mags work perfectly fine in the M305. No need to cut a hole in anything. The mag slides in nice and tight and the recoil spring guide holds it in under tension.
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For reference purposes, the AIA website mentions that the magazine uses an "M-14 type" magazine.
http://www.australianinternationalarms.com.au/history.htm
Note to mods...not a dealer link.
So you could argue that the AIA intended to use an M-14 mag, and therefore it's the same situation as the Remington pump/AR mags.
In fact, I think it's hard to argue against that, when they have various AIA models in different calibers clearly using AR15, AK, and M 14 Mags.
However one could also argue that there is no such thing as a 10, rd M 14 mag, and just because they copied certain attatchment specs it does not make a 10 AIA mag manufactured only by AIA for AIA Enfields into an M 14 Mag. This argument seems to weaken however, as they list the country of manufacture of the mag as the US so it's probably subcontracted from an M14 mag manufacturer.
Tell you what...I aint going to be the test case either cause using the AIA mag seems pretty shaky.
http://www.australianinternationalarms.com.au/history.htm
Note to mods...not a dealer link.
So you could argue that the AIA intended to use an M-14 mag, and therefore it's the same situation as the Remington pump/AR mags.
In fact, I think it's hard to argue against that, when they have various AIA models in different calibers clearly using AR15, AK, and M 14 Mags.
However one could also argue that there is no such thing as a 10, rd M 14 mag, and just because they copied certain attatchment specs it does not make a 10 AIA mag manufactured only by AIA for AIA Enfields into an M 14 Mag. This argument seems to weaken however, as they list the country of manufacture of the mag as the US so it's probably subcontracted from an M14 mag manufacturer.
Tell you what...I aint going to be the test case either cause using the AIA mag seems pretty shaky.
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besides that..... you'd have fun trying to explain it at the firing line on any range..... when anyone who knows.... knows that the m14 is generally restricted to a 5 round legal mag. Seems to me it would invite more hassle than it is worth
