Type 97A (Not Dial-Up Friendly)
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The scope you bought is norc's "civilian edition" only for exporting. The metal works are same to real PLA scope, but the optics are totally different, much better quality. For me ,this is aimpoint in Chinese version. Here's PLA one I have it's cost me plus shipping 210.
Thanks for the elaboration David. Here's a couple questions for you then that hopefully you, or someone else who owns one can tell me:
-In the pistol grip tool container, what are the following items:
(From left to right) the first arrow going to 2 punches (I think). I know that they fit into the hole on the front sight adjustment tool, but if that's what they're for why are there 2?
The second arrow goes to another item similar to the "punches" but it has a "blockier" end to it.
The third arrow is to the spring that was in the case.
Any ideas on what they are for?
Last question, I'm guessing that when adjusting the iron sights for windage that the adjustment is similar to the AK and SKS? Is this right (force the protrusion next to the arrow below left or right to adjust?)
Thanks in advance.
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The 2 "punches" look similar to those found in Chicom SKS cleaning kits. I know the one on the right is a scraper for the gas port, I don't know for sure but I <think> the one on the left is used as a handle for thecleaing rod, by fitting it in the hole, no idea what the spring is for.
Thanks for the elaboration David. Here's a couple questions for you then that hopefully you, or someone else who owns one can tell me:
-In the pistol grip tool container, what are the following items:
(From left to right) the first arrow going to 2 punches (I think). I know that they fit into the hole on the front sight adjustment tool, but if that's what they're for why are there 2?
The second arrow goes to another item similar to the "punches" but it has a "blockier" end to it.
The third arrow is to the spring that was in the case.
Any ideas on what they are for?
Last question, I'm guessing that when adjusting the iron sights for windage that the adjustment is similar to the AK and SKS? Is this right?
Thanks in advance.
I just got in from a fun day of shooting out with a bunch of the the CGN mods, admin, and members. Had a great time, and we all got to fire the Type 97A.
I am now more than ever convinced that I really hate the mag release location. There is no fast and smooth way to activate that thing for quick mag changes.
Also, the small rear aperture on the iron sights was a bit of a hindrance with quick aiming.
I do have to admit to being wrong on my original assesment of the optical sight's reticle. The markings are just fine the way they are. We didn't get around to doing any firm accuracy testing, but I know that when I zeroed the scope I was having no problems hitting the few cm remaining of the 100m gong at the gun club.
There were more than a few members there who were surprised at the quality of the product from Norinco. Hopefully a few of them will chime in with some of their points.
In the meantime, here's a pic of KevinB (Norinco Hater) firing it:
I am now more than ever convinced that I really hate the mag release location. There is no fast and smooth way to activate that thing for quick mag changes.
Also, the small rear aperture on the iron sights was a bit of a hindrance with quick aiming.
I do have to admit to being wrong on my original assesment of the optical sight's reticle. The markings are just fine the way they are. We didn't get around to doing any firm accuracy testing, but I know that when I zeroed the scope I was having no problems hitting the few cm remaining of the 100m gong at the gun club.
There were more than a few members there who were surprised at the quality of the product from Norinco. Hopefully a few of them will chime in with some of their points.
In the meantime, here's a pic of KevinB (Norinco Hater) firing it:
That white stuff is PRE-WATER!
The rifle is nice to shoot, as RobAK pointed out, the aperture is way too small and there ain't not way to get around a fast reload.
The reticle on the scope is really nice.
We were ther with about and estimated $100,000 worth of eqiupment (toys), and we emptied a lot of unwanted brass.
Well the trigger was odd -- it shot very nicely -- and pretty accurate.
As Rob said -- I would NOT want to have to reload this under stress, and the sight while nice for static shooting is not a combat sight by any means.
I was pleasantly surprised by the gun -- however I think it needs a few mods as Rob was already trying to work out.
As Rob said -- I would NOT want to have to reload this under stress, and the sight while nice for static shooting is not a combat sight by any means.
I was pleasantly surprised by the gun -- however I think it needs a few mods as Rob was already trying to work out.
I like shooting the rifle and the balance is very well.
The magazine change is awkward and the fire control selective switch is very odd.
THe quality is the best of anything that had ever came out from Norinco - but the machining details are still not up to your typical american firearms.
It is a very nice shooting rifle - until you need to change magazine quickly. For a plinker, if it can stay under 800 it will be a great buy.
The magazine change is awkward and the fire control selective switch is very odd.
THe quality is the best of anything that had ever came out from Norinco - but the machining details are still not up to your typical american firearms.
It is a very nice shooting rifle - until you need to change magazine quickly. For a plinker, if it can stay under 800 it will be a great buy.
I was skeptical when I first looked at it, and the optics threw me for a loop , that scope is tiny!!! Overall impressions it is a sturdy rifle, much more so than an AR180B as far as polymer rifles go. The iron sights left something to be desired, but were workable.The scope was surprising, with both eyes open the reticle is sharp, clear and without distortion.
The ergonomics are decent for a bullpup, but the mag release is about the worst I have seen as far as location and ease of mag removal go, but the rifle points well and is balanced.
Accuracy is well within tolerable limits, expected of an assault rifle.
The ergonomics are decent for a bullpup, but the mag release is about the worst I have seen as far as location and ease of mag removal go, but the rifle points well and is balanced.
Accuracy is well within tolerable limits, expected of an assault rifle.
Clobbersauras
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C'mon spill the goods here people!!!!
How was the cheek weld?
Any malfunctions?
Your opinions on the gas regulation system?
How far did it spit the brass.....Did it beat up the brass?
How dirty was the gas system after firing?
Was it easy to work the charging handle?
How was the cheek weld?
Any malfunctions?
Your opinions on the gas regulation system?
How far did it spit the brass.....Did it beat up the brass?
How dirty was the gas system after firing?
Was it easy to work the charging handle?
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Cheek weld was good until it came to using the scope, then it's quite high. No problems though.
No malfunctions (I'm guessing there were 120-150 rounds fired).
Gas regulation was fine (if it needed switching of positions after that few rounds fired then there would have been a problem).
It launched the brass. Brass was sent forward between the 1 and 2 O'Clock position, and it went several (guessing 3-5) meters away.
To tell the truth I didn't check the condition o f the brass. The stuff that didn't get propelled into a snow bank by ejection got scooped up and tossed.
The gas system was cleaner than I expected after. I gave it a quick cleaning last night and it was fine.
Some people found the charging handle annoying. I didn't mind it, but I used only my index finger. There isn't much room for more to fit in there.
No malfunctions (I'm guessing there were 120-150 rounds fired).
Gas regulation was fine (if it needed switching of positions after that few rounds fired then there would have been a problem).
It launched the brass. Brass was sent forward between the 1 and 2 O'Clock position, and it went several (guessing 3-5) meters away.
To tell the truth I didn't check the condition o f the brass. The stuff that didn't get propelled into a snow bank by ejection got scooped up and tossed.
The gas system was cleaner than I expected after. I gave it a quick cleaning last night and it was fine.
Some people found the charging handle annoying. I didn't mind it, but I used only my index finger. There isn't much room for more to fit in there.
Clobbersauras
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Waaay out west.
Thanks Robak - good info!
Clobbersauras
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Waaay out west.
I have a legit question for all the operators out there. Why couldn't you just use your right hand to change the mag? I.e. take your had off the pistol grip, depress the mag button, grab a new mag and jam it in? Or does this break some sort of doctrine? You would still have muzzle control with your left hand on the forgrip, no?
That's difficult to do, because most of the weight is at the rear and the gun is off balance.
