Picking the right Creedmoor cartridge.

I'd go 6.5 Creedmoor. Shot this deer at 630m with my 20" Hardy carbon barrelled Remmy. 2707fps with 140 ELDM. Shot another at 614m with 143 ELDX also with good expansion. A friend shot 6 deer with this rifle this week, longest at 425m. They do work well.

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Interesting that youre getting those velocities out of the shorter 20" barrel. Those are advertised velocities if not a bit quicker.

I was shaving -100 fps off the factory ratings when doing my calculations for the 20" barrel (~2,600 fps).
 
Interesting that youre getting those velocities out of the shorter 20" barrel. Those are advertised velocities if not a bit quicker.

I was shaving -100 fps off the factory ratings when doing my calculations for the 20" barrel (~2,600 fps).
The 143's we measured at 2611fps av. Used them for a year or so with good results then played with 140 ELDM since a few years and they seem very consistent, taken 40-50 Sika deer with them. Reload Swiss RS 70 is low on pressure vs speed, quite a bit away from max.
For your larger deer the 143 ELDX would probably be the better bullet.
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The only thing they offer is a faster twist for heavy for cal bullets.
Nothing ground breaking with the 22/6mm/or 6.5, already cartridges that do the same thing, some have been around for 135 years lol.
The biggest jump would be in the 25 cal, getting up from 120gr to 135gr to stabilize.
6mm gets the 100gr standard up to 115gr, not a big whoop.
The 6.5 can handle 150gr up from 140gr but at significantly lower velocity.
The 22 does nothing any the other 1:8 or 1:7 twist 223's can shoot.
 
The only thing they offer is a faster twist for heavy for cal bullets.
Nothing ground breaking with the 22/6mm/or 6.5, already cartridges that do the same thing, some have been around for 135 years lol.
The biggest jump would be in the 25 cal, getting up from 120gr to 135gr to stabilize.
6mm gets the 100gr standard up to 115gr, not a big whoop.
The 6.5 can handle 150gr up from 140gr but at significantly lower velocity.
The 22 does nothing any the other 1:8 or 1:7 twist 223's can shoot.
More with less seems to be the Creedmoor philosophy.

Doing the same or comparable in a short action as it’s long action predecessors.

6.5 Creedmoor to 6.5x55

25 Creedmoor to 25-06

Or offering tighter twists for longer, heavier projectiles

22 Creedmoor 80gr to 22-250 65gr

112gr 6mm Creedmoor to 100gr 243.

Nothing groundbreaking, but incremental improvements.
 
Besides going short action, ur Swede doesn’t give anything up against the rest. I did go with 6.5 creed in a Springfield armoury redline and really enjoy few outings been out with it so far
 
Most new cartridges are just hair splitting on something that already exists but that's 1/2 the fun of them, it's been going on for many years but the past 10 years or so it's seen a real surge
 
Most new cartridges are just hair splitting on something that already exists but that's 1/2 the fun of them, it's been going on for many years but the past 10 years or so it's seen a real surge
The Creedmoor's, PRC's, Western's, Backcountry's....wonder what's next at SHOTShow 2026?
 
The only thing they offer is a faster twist for heavy for cal bullets.
Nothing ground breaking with the 22/6mm/or 6.5, already cartridges that do the same thing, some have been around for 135 years lol.
The biggest jump would be in the 25 cal, getting up from 120gr to 135gr to stabilize.
6mm gets the 100gr standard up to 115gr, not a big whoop.
The 6.5 can handle 150gr up from 140gr but at significantly lower velocity.
The 22 does nothing any the other 1:8 or 1:7 twist 223's can shoot.

What we really need is 1:12 twist to shoot light for caliber spire points

Rifles should be shot at 100 yards and utilize see through Weaver rings and a glossy Tasco 4x wide angle scope

Make sure the swivel studs have those little white plastic washers too! :ROFLMAO:
 
The Creedmoor's, PRC's, Western's, Backcountry's....wonder what's next at SHOTShow 2026?
Upcountry
The only thing they offer is a faster twist for heavy for cal bullets.
Nothing ground breaking with the 22/6mm/or 6.5, already cartridges that do the same thing, some have been around for 135 years lol.
The biggest jump would be in the 25 cal, getting up from 120gr to 135gr to stabilize.
6mm gets the 100gr standard up to 115gr, not a big whoop.
The 6.5 can handle 150gr up from 140gr but at significantly lower velocity.
The 22 does nothing any the other 1:8 or 1:7 twist 223's can shoot.
just a negative pessimistic person u r 🤣 🤪
 
Curious that Tikka/Sako don't chamber for any of these other than the 6.5.

I wonder if they will announce any new cartridge offerings at SHOTshow.
 
Curious that Tikka/Sako don't chamber for any of these other than the 6.5.

I wonder if they will announce any new cartridge offerings at SHOTshow.
Tikka really doesn’t cater to anything exotic, or off the beaten path. That’s probably the reason to their success. They’re like thay utility grade work truck with no features, but just work. I’ve tried buying one a few times but there’s always a few things I can’t get over. Nice out of the box guns for the price that fit the bill for the average hunter.

When I was looking for a lightweight 6.5/.264”, I based the performance I wanted around the 140 grain accubond. I didn’t have alot of intention on using the accubond, but it was a good basis for calculation. There’s bullets that perform better, but I used that knowing I could go lots of different routes and still have the energy I needed. They need 1700-1800 ft/sec to work. I’m shooting 156 bergers now. I also decided to move up to a 7mm because of the amount of bear problems we’re having out there these days. The 7 opens you up to alot of heavy bullets more suitable for bears than the 6.5.
 
Might as well make a 27CM as Well - Just to mondernize things up 👍 😉 lol

Why?! (Yes I know it’s a tongue in cheek comment)

What would a CM version over the two off shoots that already exist take care of?

Point being… you can only reinvent the wheel so many times. We saw this when the WSM/WSSM or Nosler Cals came about. Sometimes new & improved isn’t always better.
 
Why?! (Yes I know it’s a tongue in cheek comment)

What would a CM version over the two off shoots that already exist take care of?

Point being… you can only reinvent the wheel so many times. We saw this when the WSM/WSSM or Nosler Cals came about. Sometimes new & improved isn’t always better.
Just a Better shoulder angle to reduce case stretching 🤷‍♂️ and better looking Cartrudge case OMHO 😄
 
Why?! (Yes I know it’s a tongue in cheek comment)

What would a CM version over the two off shoots that already exist take care of?

Point being… you can only reinvent the wheel so many times. We saw this when the WSM/WSSM or Nosler Cals came about. Sometimes new & improved isn’t always better.
I think this line of thinking is flawed and misses the point and advances made by the CM family and similar cartridges.

It’s the the chamber throat and twist that makes the CM family step up and outshine earlier rounds. The short action and low recoil are nice benefits as well but they are secondary.

The 22CM is the most glaring example of this point. On surface it’s essentially a 22-250 AI, but the fast twist and extended throat allow use of 90gr .22cal bullets providing great BC’s very high SD’s that allow it to out punch traditional 243’s etc.

If Winchester would have had the foresight to design the WSM family around similar characteristics it would have been a truly revolutionary group of chamberings.

The new heavy and long for caliber bullets coming out for 22, 6mm, 25, 6.5 are all direct result of the CM introduction and all allow far better down range ballistic advantages than previously possible. The benefits to target and hunting shooters are impressive.
 
I got a hankering fo a .22 but definitely want a 1 in 8 or 7.5 twist. A custom 22-250 would do but beyond my budget. Of the rack .22 CM would work, if some ones would make it in within a old mans means.
 
I think this line of thinking is flawed and misses the point and advances made by the CM family and similar cartridges.

It’s the the chamber throat and twist that makes the CM family step up and outshine earlier rounds. The short action and low recoil are nice benefits as well but they are secondary.

The 22CM is the most glaring example of this point. On surface it’s essentially a 22-250 AI, but the fast twist and extended throat allow use of 90gr .22cal bullets providing great BC’s very high SD’s that allow it to out punch traditional 243’s etc.

If Winchester would have had the foresight to design the WSM family around similar characteristics it would have been a truly revolutionary group of chamberings.

The new heavy and long for caliber bullets coming out for 22, 6mm, 25, 6.5 are all direct result of the CM introduction and all allow far better down range ballistic advantages than previously possible. The benefits to target and hunting shooters are impressive.

Ok, I’ll bite… ‘Cause I wanna make people think, not just spill out the typical rhetoric on/about the CM (or PRC/BC/Western for that matter) series of Cals.



So the question is…. “why did they stop at just the 6.5CM?”

To date all of the CM stuff is of 6.5mm down to smaller 22 Cals. Do those gains so richly flaunted, quoted and marketed as such get negated once over 6.5mm? Or has the PRC/BC and Westerns taken on those realms above 6.5mm with the CM now being left behind?

We really don’t know cause it hasn’t been done by Hornady to this point. It would seem that they have decided to focus on the smaller stuff thus far for some reason.

And really why? You already have the aforementioned PRC/BC/Westerns taking that on and probably nothing an added CM’d variant of the same couldn’t newly offer… ie; 27CM Vs 27NOS Vs 270WSM Vs 270Wby. Add in a slew AI variants avail for other various Cals and we really start to have an array of choices that start to overlap don’t we?

Again to my orig post.. you can only reinvent the wheel so many times, the fact remains its still round..

Look, I’m usually all for some new stuff, but with advances in Powder, Projectiles, Reloading Data, Annealing etc etc etc over the last decade or so, reality is, some of the old standby’s still get the job done and done effectively. Far beyond what was expected of them when first introduced. They maybe a hair slower, but still done none-the-less. It kinda makes you sit back and think “Is it all worth that smidgen extra and is it worth jumping on this bandwagon?”

For those that do dabble in the following below (tongue in cheek here ie; sarcasm folks). Have at ‘er, i don’t begrudge someone for their Cal of choice.

- Needmore (CM)
- Wasting some Money (WSM)
- Wasting Substantial Sums of Money (WSSM)
- Wasting BIG Money (WbyMag)
- Nothing otherworldly Substantial (NOS)
- Pretty Redundant Cals (PRC)

Hey, I’m just as guilty for going down the WSM and WbyMag roads myself tbh, but as someone mentioned a few posts above mine. Nothing really new.

Ya, you gain some FPS, lose some trajectory as well from a new design/platform but basically you are just splitting hairs over some of the already proven and potent existing Cals that have long track records behind them.

Like I said, I’m just trying to get people to think about all these choices we now have avail rather then be quick to spill out the usual rhetoric some marketing dweeb threw out there about speed/flatness and that some have taken as now divine gospel….

Sorry to the OP for the derail 😁
 
So the question is…. “why did they stop at just the 6.5CM?”

Creedmoors are faster twist rate than "normal" and generally shoot heavier for caliber, aerodynamic projectiles that require the faster twist rate to stabilize properly.

a 27 Creed would launch 165-180gr bullets

7mm Creed 175-195gr bullets

a 30 Creed, 195-230gr bullets

338 Creed, 250-300gr bullets

Even with high BC bullets, there still is a thing called "usable velocity" lol, it has to start out with something. Generally, most cartridges in use have muzzle velocities of 2600+ fps, it would be a struggle to acheive those velocities in theoretical larger caliber Creeds. Thats where you see an increase of case capacity in cartridges like 6.8 Western, 7mm PRC, 300 PRC, 338 Lapua etc to keep initial muzzle velocities in the 2600-2900 fps ballpark with the heavier, aerodynamic bullets

22 ARC, 6mm ARC are scaled down mini Creeds



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