Moa or mrad new to it
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Depends on the application.
I think PRS is pretty much exclusively MRAD whereby F Class for example is exclusively MOA.
You can use anything you want however (I have used MRAD at an F Class after my primary MOA cope went down) but then you aren't talking the same language as everyone else (ie "I just adjusted left 1/2 MOA for that wind shift" etc etc).
I think PRS is pretty much exclusively MRAD whereby F Class for example is exclusively MOA.
You can use anything you want however (I have used MRAD at an F Class after my primary MOA cope went down) but then you aren't talking the same language as everyone else (ie "I just adjusted left 1/2 MOA for that wind shift" etc etc).
Because I have been using MOA for longer I feel like I understand it better but if I could only choose one it would be MRAD.
Of course nowadays with modern apps / ballistic calculators etc either is very easy to navigate.
Of course nowadays with modern apps / ballistic calculators etc either is very easy to navigate.
Not really. It doesn't matter which option you choose. It helps if all the people you shoot with are speaking the same language but it's not that difficult to convert back and forth between them. For many years we used MOA turrets with MIL reticles and managed to hit stuff back then.
The 1/10 milrad adjustment is coarser than the 1/4 MOA adjustment .. if that matters. 1/10 mil is approx 0.36 MOA.
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You can find both versions of those optics easier than you can find someone capable of shooting less than 1/8th moa, or 1/40th mrad consistently.
Look at the people you go shooting with, and that's probably the version you should go with.
If you ever want to shoot a PRS competition, or take an ELR course, I'd suggest mrad. Unless all your friends are shooting moa.
If you will never shoot PRS, or take an ELR course, and you DO plan to shoot F-Class.. then you have a reason to go MOA.
It truly is just a language difference. Both can be used.
The argument that moa is a finer adjustment, etc, etc, is in my opinion misrepresenting it because the angular measurement is just that. an angular measurement. There ARE mrad scopes that are finer than anything moa offers, S&B has a turret that's 4 clicks, per 0.1 mrad, 40 clicks per mrad.... so that's ~0.09" per click at 100m. Vs 0.131" at 100y for 1/8 moa.
I have seen 1 person switch from mrad to moa.
I have seen countless people switch from moa to mrad - myself included.
I use both. As mentioned its just math and any ballistic calculator will give both. Better deals on used high end MOA scopes cuz its 99 percent MRAD now that PRS has become so popular. Two Kahles were purchased for almost half of new retail used off the EE and as new in condition from switchers to MRAD. Learn whatever you pick and have fun.
If you think in inches, MOA will be easier to initiallly learn and seem more intuitive.
If you think in centimeters, MRAD will be easier to initially learn and seem more intuitive.
Because I think in inches, it was easier for me to relate to learning what an MOA is and how it translates to the distance and commit it to memory.
Now that I have that figured out and started reading about MRAD(which seemed foreign...because I dont think in centimeters), MRAD became understandable
1moa at 100 yards = 1.047"
1moa at 200 yards = 2.094"
1moa at 187 yards = 1.96"
3moa at 500 yards = 15.71"
1mrad at 100 meters = 1cm
1mrad at 200 meters = 2cm
1mrad at 187 meters = 1.87cm
3mrad at 500 yards = 15cm
1mrad at 100 yards = 3.6"
1mrad at 100 meters = 3.94"
1moa at 100 meters = 1.15"
1 inch = 2.54cm
100 yards = 91.44 meters
100 meters = 109.36 yards
a Mrad scope would be easier understood shooting metric distances and moa at imperial distances.
Ultimately a guy needs to learn the correlations and run an old fashioned grade 8 calculator if not blindly trusting a solution on an app or wants to figure out the click value error from the app to the paper.
If at a PRS match and everyones shooting FFP scopes and calling out dope, run the scope the majority is using.
A call of 3 tenths left or up or whatever doesnt mean anything very quickly if a guy isnt on an MRAD scope.
Like wise a call of 3/8 left or up or whatever doesnt mean anything very quickly if the guy isnt on a MOA scope.
If you think in centimeters, MRAD will be easier to initially learn and seem more intuitive.
Because I think in inches, it was easier for me to relate to learning what an MOA is and how it translates to the distance and commit it to memory.
Now that I have that figured out and started reading about MRAD(which seemed foreign...because I dont think in centimeters), MRAD became understandable
1moa at 100 yards = 1.047"
1moa at 200 yards = 2.094"
1moa at 187 yards = 1.96"
3moa at 500 yards = 15.71"
1mrad at 100 meters = 1cm
1mrad at 200 meters = 2cm
1mrad at 187 meters = 1.87cm
3mrad at 500 yards = 15cm
1mrad at 100 yards = 3.6"
1mrad at 100 meters = 3.94"
1moa at 100 meters = 1.15"
1 inch = 2.54cm
100 yards = 91.44 meters
100 meters = 109.36 yards
a Mrad scope would be easier understood shooting metric distances and moa at imperial distances.
Ultimately a guy needs to learn the correlations and run an old fashioned grade 8 calculator if not blindly trusting a solution on an app or wants to figure out the click value error from the app to the paper.
If at a PRS match and everyones shooting FFP scopes and calling out dope, run the scope the majority is using.
A call of 3 tenths left or up or whatever doesnt mean anything very quickly if a guy isnt on an MRAD scope.
Like wise a call of 3/8 left or up or whatever doesnt mean anything very quickly if the guy isnt on a MOA scope.
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I use Milrad for Sniper matches and PRS. MOA for long range precision.
I prefer a 1 1/4" windage adjustment with 1/8 increments over 6cm (which is about double) at 600 m with 0.1 milrad adjustment.
To each his own.
I grew up with inches. I cant even picture the length of a CM in my head. And I can do fast math on MOA in my head genuinely OK. My first rimfire match was interesting. Everyone was MRAD. People couldn't help me out too much but I had my cheat card and I placed 23 out of 54 overall. If I had and understood MRAD better I would have been able to Dial quicker.
I just haven't put in the effort and most my scopes are MOA. I do mostly bench shooting and I do enjoy MOA better for that.
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