Do better equipment make 1/2 MOA more easy to attain?
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Who told you wind doesn’t make a difference at 100 yds? Check out any benchrest match and see if anyone is watching the indicators at 100. I have shot competition in both rifle and handgun , am SFC and NRA Master in both. You need to learn to dope the wind or all the effort you are putting out will never get you the results you are looking for.
It is refreshing hearing someone admitting that they dont have a ‘1/2moa gun all day’. A 5x5 group in that neighbourhood would be an accomplishment-both for rifle and shooter. Good on those who can.
I am far from a bench rest trophy holder, but my 10TR has not yet been beat on the range versus a hunting rifle or hunting rounds. I think there is merit to the bullet type comments.
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I am far from a bench rest trophy holder, but my 10TR has not yet been beat on the range versus a hunting rifle or hunting rounds. I think there is merit to the bullet type comments.
Keep us in the loop!
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I think that’s why there’s not many names on the list, because you have to roll everything in together to make it happen. If you look at the list it’s mostly small cartridges and probably heavy guns. A 15 pound 223 remington that tracks properly only moves back about a half inch so you just push it back ahead between shots and nothing really moves. I would recommend a heavy 223 or 6br, trigger set to less than a pound, solid front rest and rather than shooting at the corner targets try holding centre and using your scope dialled 4-5 moa high left, than high right, low right etc. your point of aim won’t be beat to death as you’re shooting. Work on how you manage recoil, i try and just use very little pressure and let it somewhat free-recoil.
An 8 pound 6.5 prc would be near impossible to make it. I have a number 2 barrel contour on my hunting rifle and the 5 shot is always a flyer because of the barrel heat. Personally I think the eldx and elite hunters are fine for accuracy.
Where do you live? Maybe somebody on here can set you up with their rifle to try one day at your local range.
An 8 pound 6.5 prc would be near impossible to make it. I have a number 2 barrel contour on my hunting rifle and the 5 shot is always a flyer because of the barrel heat. Personally I think the eldx and elite hunters are fine for accuracy.
Where do you live? Maybe somebody on here can set you up with their rifle to try one day at your local range.
A lightweight short mag is gonna be harder to squeeze the utmost precision out of, match bullets would help as well (or at least a larger sample size of different high end hunting bullets to see what the barrel likes best). Fierce's carbon wrapped barrels are also known for not being as consistent as say a Proof or Bartlein cf wrapped barrel. But to be honest, for what I presume is a hunting rig (I otherwise don't know why you'd have a cf barreled 6.5 PRC for anything other than hunting), the level of precision you are getting is just fine, imo.
I’ve owned cure,proof,Christensen and hardy CFW barrels and found the Hardy tip be best so far, not a fan of proof or Christensen barrels.
I like the idea that the CfW barrels cool down a bit faster
Yes I think 3\4 is good for a hunting round but I think if the gun is 1/2 mos guaranteed for 3 rounds then 5 can’t be much harder.
I see all kinds of posts on here where guys are saying there guns are 1/2 mos or better, seems common
Yeah, Hardy are good as well, I have one in 7SAUM. The thing with CFW barrels is that they are way harder to manufacture and it's a lot easier to end up with one that doesn't shoot (compared to a steel barrel). Plus for anything that I intend to shoot a lot, I don't look to save weight in the consumable part.
I can't recall the stats ( I think it was maybe in one of Litz' books?) but a rifle that shoots 1/2 moa 3rd groups is statistically likely to shoot x times larger 5rd groups and y times larger 10rd groups and so on and so forth.
Lots of people claiming 1/2 moa guns are cherry-picking groups or just generally full of ####. I expect my match/training guns to shoot 10rd 1/2 moa groups but they are generally heavy and range from .223 to 6mm to 6.5, all non-magnum cartridges. That's with top shelf (Krieger, Bartlein, Hawkhill, etc) barrels and well tuned loads with match bullets shot with a bipod and rear bag in the prone.
I can't recall the stats ( I think it was maybe in one of Litz' books?) but a rifle that shoots 1/2 moa 3rd groups is statistically likely to shoot x times larger 5rd groups and y times larger 10rd groups and so on and so forth.
Lots of people claiming 1/2 moa guns are cherry-picking groups or just generally full of ####. I expect my match/training guns to shoot 10rd 1/2 moa groups but they are generally heavy and range from .223 to 6mm to 6.5, all non-magnum cartridges. That's with top shelf (Krieger, Bartlein, Hawkhill, etc) barrels and well tuned loads with match bullets shot with a bipod and rear bag in the prone.
My Savage 110 .223 Varmint with Arken 6-24x50 scope (30mm) does groups between 1/4 moa and 1/2 moa. Its my first bench rest rifle and Im getting closer and closer to consistent 1/4 moa groups every time I shoot it. 5 round groups at 200y.
My firm opinion on rifles is that once you get past about 1000$ to 1200$ on the rifle, what you're paying for is nice finish or weight reduction, with accuracy gains being extremely negligible and more down to load development or luck of the draw. The PRS shooters will likely disagree with me.
My firm opinion on rifles is that once you get past about 1000$ to 1200$ on the rifle, what you're paying for is nice finish or weight reduction, with accuracy gains being extremely negligible and more down to load development or luck of the draw. The PRS shooters will likely disagree with me.
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1 upgrade I finally made was switching to L.E. Wilson arbor press bullet seating dies , I found it really made a difference in the feel of the pressure to seat the the bullet for neck tension. They are costly but worth it for controlling runout when seating target ammo. Still use my rcbs press for full sizing and neck mandrel die. The recent posts about homemade induction annealers have really peaked my interest , I'm still using a flame style annealer and it can be a pain to keep consistent neck tension.
As for light vs heavy rifle , my hunting rifles are all on the lite side and my bench rifles are heavy. Hunting one shot and hopefully no follow up shot , bench rifle multiple shots at a known distance from a static position either prone or on a bench so weight is your friend to help keep it stable and see your impacts.
No I'm not going to get in a debate about cost of a rifle you get what you paid for.
As for light vs heavy rifle , my hunting rifles are all on the lite side and my bench rifles are heavy. Hunting one shot and hopefully no follow up shot , bench rifle multiple shots at a known distance from a static position either prone or on a bench so weight is your friend to help keep it stable and see your impacts.
No I'm not going to get in a debate about cost of a rifle you get what you paid for.
!!! 1/2" groups all day everyday.
And what is your definition of a barrel burner, 500 rounds 1,000 rounds 1,500 rounds 2,000 rounds ??
Do you actually have a 6.5 PRC or just repeating what someone else has said
Do you actually have a 6.5 PRC or just repeating what someone else has said
Wind is everything when it comes to shooting small groups, even at 100 yards.
2.5 pounds is a heavy trigger pull for a range rifle. On a hunting rifle it's actually a tad light for many.
Unless you are shooting a small caliber, well chambered rifle that is bedded well with excellent optics and you know how to shoot, 1/2MOA , 5 shot groups are going to be tough to achieve consistently, but you need to know how to shoot as well.
The biggest variable however is you because you are the one building the ammunition and shooting the rifle.
I would suggest searching out someone in your club that is a match shooter that has a reputation for winning and see if they can hep you.
Way more flyers have been caused because of shooter error than equipment .
However, as far as trying to chase 1/2 MOA with a 6.5PRC in a hunting rifle , I would not even consider it, and I have been a match shooter for well over 50 years.
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Agreed. Sight picture can tell the tale. How the Target aim point meets cross hair/dot needs to be as fine a detail as possible and as consistent as possible. Need to be realistic as to what the true poa looks like
I can tell its going to be a bad day when the dot at 27X setting is sweeping a Mil-size area on the paper
Its also good to let someone else shoot your rig to help realize actual true potential
