what is it with people and HK

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Since the invention of FPS games such as rainbow six Using the Mp5 in they're game the HK brand has become huge. from all sorces i have heard from who have accualy dealt with the company they are Arse hats.

Do they're products deserve the hype they get from 12 13 14 and 15 year old kids who likly will never even handle a real gun little own the exalted HK?

i mean look at most video games the Guns are now where near what they are in real life. look at any game from the Golden eye era with an assult rifle some how the rifles had soem sort of maginfication built into them? i'd like to see how a bear stock Ak has any magnification. now when you look at the Mp5 how many people who rant about how amaizing they are ever actualy held one litle own fired it (i have actualy held one wasn't all that impressed with it the halifax fleet security boardign comandos what ever they call it wasn't doing live fire demos though something about civilians yada yada yada) but any ways go on allot of places and you get this mythical status of the weapon heck in most games if i start of with one first thing id if i can is grab an AK or any thing bigger.

i mean they say the G36 is this amaizingly cool gun it has a leagion of fan boys that rival anime fans for they're tenatious observance of they're idol yet allot of them probly don't even shoot in real life and even thoguh the HK416 was legal to sell in semi auto to the public HK Personaly banned it requiring all to be sold to LE/Military units requioring an end user cetrificate and a year lator when they decided to sell them to the public the people the stuck they're noses up at greated them as liberators in the mechanical inpingment oppression by companies who sold direct impingment systems to the public from the begining.

sorry i had to rant hope fully people can read this one i am tired of hereing I LOVE HK every where i go i mean i know people who are mebers of clubs and the police have used they're range to train with mp5s and when asked about it they walked over to the firing line picked up one of the shell casings they left and said so um what 9mm pistol does this to the casing most of us reload so this isn't one of ours?
 
yeah i think that was they're first and only good product i mean yeah the USP match looks cool but it's not even in they're pruduct line yet every one allways go where can i get the guns lara croft uses.

she'd be better of with a nice pair of 1911s so much more custemisable so much more relable so much more feild reparable so much less crappy
 
I handled a HK carbine in 45acp the other day. Something like $2000 for a mostly plastic thing with HK stamped on the side. "Das uber Ghey", was how a German fellow described it? Another fellow walked in and sprayed the shop with zipper sharpnel. To each his own I guess.
 
Hk rocks you little people just suck... :D

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HK used to make some amazing guns, but it seems the company is not what it used to be. From an engineering perspective the G3 and MP5 are great platforms. The roller-locking principle is a neat and innovative idea, and HK used to be full of those. The VP-70 concept now dominates a good chunk of the pistol market and the G11 concept is still ahead of its time.

HK has changed though, maybe it lost too many of its good engineers. I think it started with the G36, and went downhill from there. Don't get me wrong, the 416 is a pretty good platform, but its an older concept that HK vastly improved upon. I believe there is no innovation left within HK anymore, and my beliefs will only be confirmed when HK decides to make a 1911.
 
I would love to have a G3, or HK 21E. Something about no gas system turns my crank.
If I were to has a sub machine gun, it would be a mp5, but I can't, and as has been identified here many times before, the submachine gun's day has come and gone.

416? Well, it would be cool if the availability were there...with that being said, I don't have problems with my AR's (I know, range toys) and don't have problems with the C7/c7a2's I have been issued. Plus I am a bit of a survivalist and proprietary parts screw up one of the AR's finest points, easily obtainable extra parts.

USP? Don't see the point with sigs, and glocks abound. (not that they are bad guns, but it goes back to parts availability and servicing)

HK does make nice stuff though

I guess availability/ serviceability is my main beef more then anything, and that is not HK's fault (in Canada at least)

Anyway, opinions are like a$$holes, your mileage may vary, etc,etc:ar15:
 
AlderTK said:
she'd be better of with a nice pair of 1911s so much more custemisable so much more relable so much more feild reparable so much less crappy
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Customization: Yes

Reliable ? 1911 vs HK .45 Match ? you should proove that one for me.

1911 are the kings of having issues, 1 gizzilion moving parts.

HK platform: click-bang eveytime.

and field repairable ?

No and by far !!

Have you ever owned an HK ?????
 
Well even though it's a lot of plastic and toylike, I like my SL8. It's fun to shoot, accurate, and NON restricted. I have started the transformation on it to make it look more like a G36 and I've been having lots of fun with that. It's kinda like a Lego set for men.
 
AlderTK said:
yeah i think that was they're first and only good product i mean yeah the USP match looks cool but it's not even in they're pruduct line yet every one allways go where can i get the guns lara croft uses.

she'd be better of with a nice pair of 1911s so much more custemisable so much more relable so much more feild reparable so much less crappy
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Here you are talking about all the 'fanboys' loving HK because they're in video games, and then you state that Lara Croft(a fictional character in a MOVIE!!!) would be better off with 1911's? Wow. Just.... Wow.

I don't think the writers and director are worried about how much more 'field reparable' a movie prop will be.

For the MP5, nice to know that you getting to ACTUALLY HOLD ONE in real life :rolleyes: gives you such great authority to speak of how good they are.

Why are you starting this thread, because your rant in the dutch demaico thread caused it to get closed?

I think can see where this thread is going to go as well......
 
The hype comes from HK being a truly top-notch, well-engineered product; it isn't a well-engineered top-notch product because of the hype. An important thing to realize, I'd think.

I own an HK USP compact in .45ACP and a 1911 in the same; if I knew trouble was about to knock on my door, I'd load both my HK mags before I even uncased my 1911. The handling - even for a compact .45 with full-house Hydra-Shok loads - is unreal. It settles faster than my full-size 1911, I like the trigger far better, and the decocker just adds to re-holstering safety. I've had close to 2,000 rounds through it and not a SINGLE failure to feed or fire. Not ONE. I've even intentionally 'mis-loaded' a round in the mag in an attempt to get the thing to stovepipe, but the breech geometry still picked up the leading edge of the bullet's nose (and it was a gaping JHP round) and fed it straight and true.

I'd bet my life on HK anytime, as would most other owners I've talked to. Until you've owned and shot an HK, I don't think it's even possible to 'get it'. I sure didn't.

-M
 
Also, 'customizability' on a firearm, in my opinion, just means that an out of the box model usually sucks. After-market triggers on 1911's are so plentiful because most affordable 1911's have gritty, creepy triggers. Tighter, custom-fit barrel bushings are available because mass-fitting means slop. Custom-fittable undersized slides mean rail fitting wasn't handled as well as you could do at home. My HK was fitted so nicely - FROM THE FACTORY - that if I let the slide forward at a snail's pace it held JUST (about .003) short of battery; a flick with a fingernail put it forward the last .003. 10 rounds later, it was smooooooooth as smooth could ever be.

There's something to be said for quality in workmanship and design.

-M
 
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Also, 'customizability' on a firearm, in my opinion, just means that an out of the box model usually sucks. After-market triggers on 1911's are so plentiful because most affordable 1911's have gritty, creepy triggers. Tighter, custom-fit barrel bushings are available because mass-fitting means slop. Custom-fittable undersized slides mean rail fitting wasn't handled as well as you could do at home. My HK was fitted so nicely - FROM THE FACTORY - that if I let the slide forward at a snail's pace it held JUST (about .003) short of battery; a flick with a fingernail put it forward the last .003. 10 rounds later, it was smooooooooth as smooth could ever be.

There's something to be said for quality in workmanship and design.

-M
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PWNED !!!

Amen to that !
 
I can't speak about the rifles H&K makes, but I've been extremely satisfied with their pistols. Let me put things into perspective, okay?

I've had approximately 20 different pistols and rifles during my time as a firearm owner in Canada, and the only one I've kept... here it comes... has been my USP9.

What can I say? It's simply superior to everything else I've tried. If you can master the mag release (I think it's intuitive, your mileage may vary) and fit the grip, you're golden.

Yes, they've been marketed to Hell and back... what's your point?
 
i dont have extensive experience in firearms, but i do like the HKs, a usp match clone is on my short list(a 1911 is still higher on the list though). when i purchased my pistol it was down to the sig and usp, in the end i like steel and didnt like the usp mag release so the sig got the nod as my first pistol.

and i would kill for a mp5, maybe its being a fan boy but oh well
 
MP5's were used by Police and military long before there ever was a 'Rainbow Six'. It's major advantage over older SMG's is the closed bolt firing. Makes it more accurate as SMG's go. Mind you, video games are created by programming wienies who aren't shooters, never have been and never will be. Although, the U.S. military took a bunch of 'em, who were designing a training 'game' for them, out shooting so they'd have an idea what real shooting is about and how it feels.
In any case, HK has had its share of really stupid marketing ideas. The VP70 pistol being the biggest one.
 
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