Custom Actions

jkajfes said:
1000 yard DCRA shooter comprises a number of type of shooters. Are you talking about the tradition TR shooter, The factory or Farquesion Shooter, or the Open F-Class shooter.
which group and how many? Give a number or percentage and where you got the number from. Are you talking 5, 10, 15 shooters, 5% 10% 50% or 75% of the shooters? Are you talking a specific province of shooters etc...
your statement is potentially misleading...
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potentially misleading :confused: that certainly wasn't my intent.

One could go to any match of the PQRA or DCRA and ask... most guys I've seen buying new Gaulin rifle were benchrest shooters or guys playing in the F-class... most guys I've met who had work done by the Gaulin were either TR shooters or ISSF small bore shooter.

If guys going to Bisley or the Olympic are trusting them, they should be OK... But that's just my personnal opinion ;)

Safe shooting,
Mike.
 
Well so far only two suggestions that pertain to my original questions.
Robertson Composites for Barnard actions and Armtech for Gaulin actions, so much for buying Canadian not much for selection!
 
RockChucker said:
Well so far only two suggestions that pertain to my original questions.
Robertson Composites for Barnard actions and Armtech for Gaulin actions, so much for buying Canadian not much for selection!
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Apparently, you never read the first of several posts to your inquiry. There's been several recommendations on Stiller actions that are, incidently, available through Robertson Composites.

Stiller makes a wide variety of actions that are suited to your needs. They're worth a look as well. TAC30, Predator, Diamondback, and Viper series all come to mind.
 
reality

how many Canadian buyers for custom actions do you think exist? How many American buyers? I think we are doing well with two, and I don't think there are 20 custom action-makers in the States.

RockChucker said:
Well so far only two suggestions that pertain to my original questions.
Robertson Composites for Barnard actions and Armtech for Gaulin actions, so much for buying Canadian not much for selection!
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I have been quite impressed with the Barnard actions I have seen and consider them a good value. I prefer the chromoly receiver for it's wear characteristics and resistance to galling. This is especially so when the receiver is hard and the Barnard is.
The RPA is another fine action though a trifle spendy.
I don't really like the aluminum actions (Stolle, Viper) although they are very good precision actions. Just too easy to mark!
The Bat actions are very well made and precise but like so many stainless actions, have a real tendency to gall the lugs and seats.
Actions for field use should be geared more toward that with greater clearances etc. and for that reason, production actions can work just fine for such purposes. Regards, Bill
 
X-fan said:
I just had Guntech (Dennis Sorinson) blueprint 4 Remington's for me.....You should talk to him before you jump to any conclusions....It was not that expensive (Sorrinson knows benchrest accuracy stuff better than most). Sleeves are overrated in my books.
Your cost analysis is not even close to accurate if you are considering something like a Bat or Nesika.....Unless there are options I am unaware of I don't think the less expensive actions come with port selections.....

In my opinion custom actions are not about accuracy or cost. The biggest advantages custom actions offer (that I can see) is the port selection thing as well as the ability to shoot a string quicker (less bag disruption).

Good luck with your build!
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Beware of the back yard accurizing of a remington action. I also accurize actions. Remember you are cutting away metal and Some cases case hardened metal aswell. An accurized Remington will wear out faster and has very little resale value.
 
Marksmen (are there more than one of you),
I would hardly call Dennis a "backyard" accurizer. He is an experienced and capable gunsmith.
There is no case hardened material on a Remington action so we should elminate that little bit of BS for the benefit of those who might not be aware taht not all internet info is true.
An accurized 700 will have less resale value than acustom action but will probably not depreciate any more. Buy a Remington short action today for 400 dollars and you will certainly get that out of it a year later after having used it. You will likely NOT recoup the cost of accurizing. Buy a brand new Bat for 1600+ and use it for a year. You will probably not get 1600 for it. In the end, depreciation is relative. Custom rifles are usually a poor financial investment no matter who made them. Regards, Bill
 
Marksmen said:
Beware of the back yard accurizing of a remington action. I also accurize actions. Remember you are cutting away metal and Some cases case hardened metal aswell. An accurized Remington will wear out faster and has very little resale value.
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Err...Dennis Sorinson (Guntech)is no backyard wanabee....Perhaps you should do a bit of research here!

I have seen no excess wear on any of my blueprinted actions (some are near 20 years)......I do keep good grease on the lugs though.
 
Guntech must be a backyard quack...

He is only a "Super Moderator" on Benchrestcentral.com

I have had Dennis work on most of my project rifles over the years and he has always done a superb job in a timely manner.

Jerry
 
Dennis Sorinson maybe very good. Never heard of him, But doesn't mean anything. Its was just a warning. Sorry I didn't want to slag Dennis. Accurizing a Remington or any mass produced action has its risks. I seen lots of accurized actions and frankly most of them where butchered. Most shooter and smithy's don't have the gauges or the means or the equipment to really tell if action is or needs to be trued. There is really only one gunsmith I know That really does a great job on a Remington and that Greg at Gre-tan rifles I use his method of accurization.

The fact remains if you get a Custom action it is machined better it is made with better materials. Is is heat treated and hardened. It is straight and true.

An accurized action, who knows only the smithy that said now it accurized and 250.00 or more please. Steve Kostanich and very very excellent BR gunsmith and a mentor. Has never seen a accurized action shoot any better. When a action is accurized it is usually rebarrelled with a better custom barrel. So how much did the "accurizing" do, who knows. Ask Jim Bordon, Lilja, Speedy how many actions they accurize a year. I bet none. They build winners and don't waste customer money.

This tread is about precision shooting. Sorry but in my opinion if you want to win and want to eliminate the variables use a custom action. Saving money in the long run.
 
Marksmen :I do believe you have just stepped into a hole your going to be hard pressed to get out of.
I've had Denis rebarrel and do what was required to do with at least three Rem 700 actions. All shoot better than I'm capable of shooting. Absolutely flawless work in my opinion. But what the hell do I know about accuracy as compared to most here that vouch for Sorensons work.
 
RockChucker said:
Marksmen :I do believe you have just stepped into a hole your going to be hard pressed to get out of.
I've had Denis rebarrel and do what was required to do with at least three Rem 700 actions. All shoot better than I'm capable of shooting. Absolutely flawless work in my opinion. But what the hell do I know about accuracy as compared to most here that vouch for Sorensons work.
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Geez people are thin skinned here. Nobody is slagging Dennis. It is a fair warning for everyone getting factory actions accurized, trued, blueprinted etc. Accurizing an action means many things to many people. Generally speaking it takes a lot more than most shooters realize to make a production action on par with a custom. Which is why accurized Remingtons all but disappeared in Short range BR around 1985-1990. RIP.

I'll ask the obvious question again since you never answered before. What does Dennis do to your actions and what does it cost? You keep bringing it up, I think it is a fair question. I'd like to know, maybe it is cheaper in Canada?
 
Leeper said:
Marksmen (are there more than one of you),
I would hardly call Dennis a "backyard" accurizer. He is an experienced and capable gunsmith.
There is no case hardened material on a Remington action so we should elminate that little bit of BS for the benefit of those who might not be aware taht not all internet info is true.
An accurized 700 will have less resale value than acustom action but will probably not depreciate any more. Buy a Remington short action today for 400 dollars and you will certainly get that out of it a year later after having used it. You will likely NOT recoup the cost of accurizing. Buy a brand new Bat for 1600+ and use it for a year. You will probably not get 1600 for it. In the end, depreciation is relative. Custom rifles are usually a poor financial investment no matter who made them. Regards, Bill
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same as race cars...
 
RockChucker said:
Marksmen :I do believe you have just stepped into a hole your going to be hard pressed to get out of.
I've had Denis rebarrel and do what was required to do with at least three Rem 700 actions. All shoot better than I'm capable of shooting. Absolutely flawless work in my opinion. But what the hell do I know about accuracy as compared to most here that vouch for Sorensons work.
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What is this shoot better that I'm capable of shooting ####, sounds like really don't know if my gun shoots. does it shoot or not. I shoot 3000 rds a year and I know when my gun shoots or not. Proof is on the paper and the marbles you take home. So tell me what have you won with your three Remington 700 actions? May when you can shoot as good as your guns shoots you will know that your gun doesn't shoot.
 
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I can't speak for anyone else here, but money matters between Dennis and myself are none of your business.

Yes, Dennis is cheaper than a US gunsmith...Its a matter of supply and demand. If Dennis worked in the US he would probably triple his income and be driving something nicer than his current POS.
If you want to know what Dennis (guntech) charges you should PM him.

For over 20 years Dennis has translated my rifle dreams into reality and during that time he earned both my respect and my business in every fashion. We also live in the same town. So while you might call it thin skinned I call it reputation.

Dennis would never do anything to compromise an action...even if I asked.

What you call a fair warning.......I call utter BS.
 
X-fan said:
I can't speak for anyone else here, but money matters between Dennis and myself are none of your business.

Yes, Dennis is cheaper than a US gunsmith...Its a matter of supply and demand. If Dennis worked in the US he would probably triple his income and be driving something nicer than his current POS.
If you want to know what Dennis (guntech) charges you should PM him.

For over 20 years Dennis has translated my rifle dreams into reality and during that time he earned both my respect and my business in every fashion. We also live in the same town. So while you might call it thin skinned I call it reputation.

Dennis would never do anything to compromise an action...even if I asked.

What you call a fair warning.......I call utter BS.
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So your advise is to get an action from an old remington 700 send it to Dennis or who ever and get done. Then sell all my custom actions on ebay? What is your point? Well That isn't my rifle dream! Well my warning covers the point that a accurized action is not a custom action never will be and if so, why did the army go for a Timber wolf and not an accurized remington.
 
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