Barnard or Rem 40xBR

Barnard or Rem 40xBR

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CyaN1de

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Looking at getting one of the 2 mentioned actions. 40xBR would obviously be used and the Barnard would come new from Ian Robertson along with a Robertson stock and all the goodies.

I know that both are solid performers. The Rem 40x I am looking at has a finicky Canjar trigger (which could be replaced with a jewell) but the Barnard comes with a sweet a$$ trigger.

If it was your call which would you choose and why?

Pro's and Cons of either from your perspective.

Action would be used for a 2nd 6BR
 
Barnard

I have 4 Barnards and also have remmington.The Barnards are in a league of there own.No comparison to a remmington.Anyone that knows anything in the accuracy game including some top smiths in Ontario and a barrel and stock maker will tell you the same.Barnard does it right. Tight tolerance and as good as any custom action you can get for the money.

Always comes down to the driver after the rifle is built properly to high specs.Most people can't drive to a customs capability for accuracy.

If you can out shoot your factory gun then your ready for a custom.If you can't don't waiste your money yet until you can.

That is what people mean by learn to shoot first.Then become really good!

You might have a ferrari but if you don't have the skill to handle it not going to do much good other than look good.

If you want anymore info on a barnard PM me and Ian Robertson stands behind them for good reason.
 
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Richard

I would look between a single shot Surgeon and the Barnard. Surgeon is more money but uses standard Remington internals available anyware while the Barnard is cheaper, any parts must come from New Zealand. I am planning a second 6.5 x 47 L and debating the same thing you are going through. Be interested in other peoples input also. Steve
 
I would go for the Barnard just because I have yet to build a rifle using all new components. I have heard plenty of good things about that action from a number of my shoot friends.

I am very new to the game and have only built one rifle (this past winter); a 223 Rem based on a mint condition 40X single-shot action with the original target trigger and a MacLennan barrel. The rifle seems to shoot fine; I managed a 2nd place in the recent F-Class FTR challenge match at Vokes so I cannot complain.
 
I have been using rem 40x rifles for years and think they are the way to go. The us military uses remington rifles, and the 40x was the gun that started it all. rem 40xb rifles were used by MAC to build their sniper rifles in the 1970's.
 
Barnard. It is an excellent 3-lug system with a heavy bolt and it is very well made. They are a great action - especially for the money. My only frustration is the fact they are a blued action.

Surgeon are also VERY nice not only for their design, but the fact they are R-700 compatible, but as you well know, they are twice the price and take months/years to find.
 
I voted Barnard for a full custom rifle. I checked out one of their actions the other day and was definately impressed. A quality package that's for sure.

However a 40x should someday be in my collection as well :D. It's just the 40x would be a "classic" precision rifle. For building new from scratch I would go with the Barnard.
 
Definitely the Barnard. If you are looking for max performance and willing to spend the bucks, the custom will do more for you in the long run then the Rem.

SWAG that the Rem is 1/2 the price of the Barnard?

However, if willing to spend the bucks for a custom, there are several other choices. Not saying they are 'better or worse' then the Barnard. Just that they may have features that might work better for you.

Ultimately, the barrel is going to make or break your project so shop wisely there. Me thinks you have an in with a good barrel source :).

Jerry
 
Barnard of course, but then I do sell them, and shoot them. Tolerence wise I have not found ANY action better than the Barnard and I think I have seen most of them and many at higher price.
 
barnard

I will say one thing in Jerry's defence of Savage.Having had one of the new target actions they are not far behind the Barnard for accuracy.Savage has done this singleshot action right and it's turning heads in the US at several big shoots and this for an action half the price of the Barnard and a third of many customs.

So whether you agree with his position on Savage or not as we say in our business the target doesn't lie!

Another option if you can get one.
 
The 40x I am looking at would come as a complete rifle with 40x stock and a Border barrel on it.
The Barnard of course would be a new build with a Robertson stock and Krieger barrel. (If I can ever get one in ;))
I guess I maybe should have clarified that earlier.
 
If Ian would have been selling Barnards back when I built my last target rifle I would have gone to a Barnard. I went with an HHE Millennium instead and have no regrets.
I have a 40X also that is on the EE by the way. The only reason for selling it is I now have a Wichita that I can use as a back-up rifle.
 
Is that Tommy's gun??


CyaN1de said:
The 40x I am looking at would come as a complete rifle with 40x stock and a Border barrel on it.
The Barnard of course would be a new build with a Robertson stock and Krieger barrel. (If I can ever get one in ;))
I guess I maybe should have clarified that earlier.
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barnard as I have 1

bought from Ian.....


Excellent quality, mine is the sm repeater, and it works great now.... BUT my gunsmith had to fiddle around with it quite a bit to get it to feed properly...... The rounds would jam almost all the time, or rip the tip off. I did QUITE a bit of research, calls to barnard themselves, calls to MTGUNS in the states calls ENGLand....... Before I finally got it sorted out..


BUT now, its great, feeds great shoots great. Mystic has seen it shoot 55gr noslers out to 1100 yards with great accuracy at summerland.....Oh yeah.....Its a .22-250AI on a robertson composite f-class prone stock.
 
bradtothebone said:
bought from Ian.....


Excellent quality, mine is the sm repeater, and it works great now.... BUT my gunsmith had to fiddle around with it quite a bit to get it to feed properly...... The rounds would jam almost all the time, or rip the tip off. I did QUITE a bit of research, calls to barnard themselves, calls to MTGUNS in the states calls ENGLand....... Before I finally got it sorted out..


BUT now, its great, feeds great shoots great. Mystic has seen it shoot 55gr noslers out to 1100 yards with great accuracy at summerland.....Oh yeah.....Its a .22-250AI on a robertson composite f-class prone stock.
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Got pics? :D
 
I really like the Barnard action and if I should ever decide to build myself a left handed rifle, I would use a Barnard. The only things I find wrong with them (not really wrong but, in one case, strange and in the other, mentionable) is the use of metric scope mount screws (strange since every other thread on the things is standard) and the short closing and extraction cams (in the nature of the three lug action). Camming notwithstanding, I have always liked three lug actions for target rifles.
The tolerances are great, the fit and finish are great. The receiver and bolt are hard and resistant to galling ( an advantage to non-stainless).
I like the receiver ring configuration. The Barnard has an inner shoulder which allows one to fit the barrel so it bears against both the face of the receiver and the inner step. I believe this makes for a more stable joint. If one wishes to use a Remington style recoil lug, I think it's best to alow about .002" crush on the lug before the barrel contacts the step. Just my opinion; possibly meaningless.
The 40x action was a great 1960's and 70's production action. It can work just as well as any but with some effort. I have two 40X actions and like them fine but they are not in the same class as most custom actions. They can be made into rifles which shoot just as well but they are not of equal quality.
A Savage can work fine. It is not really necessary to cover the action with a brown paper bag but it looks nicer if you do. Regards, Bill.
 
Barnard of course

remingtons are old technology, go with something bewtter and deal with someone better like Robertson.

just my thoughts Jefferosn
 
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