got my first Enfield today *pics added*

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so i just got my first Enfield. it's sporterized, .303. the numbers on the metal near the trigger guard are M.1943 C 14450 England. I'm assuming 14450 is the serial number, so when i register it, that's the number i give them right? it didn't come with a magazine. i'll be getting another Enfield tomorrow, so hopefully it'll be the same and i can swap magazines over, or just use this one for parts.

so. anyone know anything about this gun?

i guess i doesn't really qualify as a military gun...but it's old, it's an Enfield and it's mine. :dancingbanana:
 
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You can get original furniture for it change it back to its' military appearance.
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so this model was originally military, and then somewhere down the road, somebody put the sporter stock on it? what would the chance be of this gun having been in the war?

will it do any harm to the gun if i dry fire it at all?

i'll post up pics later on today.
 
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Hi there, welcome to Enfield ownership, yay! :)

If the numbers you mentioned are on the butt socket (I suppose they are since you mention near the trigger guard), your Lee Enfield is likely a "No4". Indeed, post a few pics we'll know for sure. If the rear sight is at the back, it's a No4; if it's on the barrel, it's a no1.

And yup, it was at some point in the past a military rifle; if indeed a No4, looked something like this:
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj180/louthepou/HPIM1206b.jpg

If, on the other hand, it was a No1 Mk3, it looked like this:
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj180/louthepou/HPIM0983_edited.jpg

To know if it can return to its original state, we'll look at pics (need a barrel that wasn't shortened when the rifle was sporterized).

No problem dry shooting it.

Spare mags can be found.

Lou
 
Check the EE and your local gunshop, you can also check any local antique store they will sometimes have mags. You must know the make of enfield as the No1 mag doesn't fit the no 4 and vis versa.

Cheers
 
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Looks like that could be one of the factory sporterized rifles. Churchill or perhaps Parker Hale.

First impressions is that it's a 1943 Maltby production No4 Mk1 (no star)

Looks like that's the Mk2 wood so it could have been rebuilt as a No4 Mk1/2 with the hung trigger. Easy to check, take off the trigger guard and if the trigger is hung from the reciever you have a Mk1/2.

you can't restore that one to original spec but I don't think you would really want to.
 
Looks like that could be one of the factory sporterized rifles. Churchill or perhaps Parker Hale.

First impressions is that it's a 1943 Maltby production No4 Mk1 (no star)

Looks like that's the Mk2 wood so it could have been rebuilt as a No4 Mk1/2 with the hung trigger. Easy to check, take off the trigger guard and if the trigger is hung from the reciever you have a Mk1/2.

you can't restore that one to original spec but I don't think you would really want to.
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thanks for the info. i'll check the trigger when i get around to taking it apart. since i can't restore it to original spec, i'll just completely fix it up. sand and buff up the stock, reblue the metal, give a full cleaning.

anyone wanna tell me how the flip up sight thing work? the gun has the standard rear sight, but then it has the flip up rear sight, with numbers on it. when i twist the knob, the peephole rises and lowers. i'm assuming that's for different ranges. is it sighted to the certain ranges already, or do i have to do that? how does it work? lol.
 
Rob's right - the barrel was shortened. Now, that front sight looks like somenting from Parker Hale, or may be Globe? Maybe this sporterization is a "legitimate" one, not one done done by Bubba, especially with the Monte Carlo-style butt stock? Mind you, I don't know much about the sporterized versions...

Flying High, what you have is a sporterized No4 Mk1. Not too long after the 2nd WW, some companies made hunting rifles from surplus. Now many were also sporterized by individuals cutting a couple of inches from the front of the barrel with a grinder in their basement...

Still, can be a fun shooting rifle. Potentially relatively accurate too, with a good barrel. If you are not too familiar with the Lee Enfields, get a gunsmith to check its headspace, and he may also be able to tell you about its sporterization past. And refinish that wood, it'll look a lot better :)

Lou
 
And refinish that wood, it'll look a lot better
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that's the plan. :) i'll refinish the wood, a reblue the metal. it'll probably take me a week or so, depending on the condition of the other Enfield i'm getting tomorrow. :D i may have to divide my time between them. lol. i'll be sure to post up pics of the completed project.
 
As others have said, it looks like a sporter made up by Parker Hale, Churchill or BSA in Britain and Globco in Canada.

Sometimes they just cut off excess wood and sold the rifles like that, then they selected better rifles and did things to create like what you have there, put higher grade wood on, sometimes re-bluing, sometimes removing military sights, drilling and tapping, putting ramp sights on; there were lots of different variations.

Parker Hale for example, sold the Supreme No.4, Custom No.1, Supreme No.1, Deluxe and the Standard No.1.

My 1976 SIR catalogue lists the Standard at $42.99, the Deluxe at $56.49 and the Custom at $139.00.

At that time a Winchester Model 94 cost $129.99
A Marlin 336C $159.95
A Remington 870 $219.95
A Browning A5 $464.50


But I remember when Sears and Eatons were selling uncut Lee Enfields for $19.99
 
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My 1976 SIR catalogue lists the Standard at $42.99, the Deluxe at $56.49 and the Custom at $139.00.

At that time a Winchester Model 94 cost $129.99
A Marlin 336C $159.95
A Remington 870 $219.95
A Browning A5 $464.50


But I remember when Sears and Eatons were selling uncut Lee Enfields for $19.99
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Man, How I wish for those days again... I would've bought 2 each of all of the above! *SIGH!*
 
Not to hijack this thread, but looking at what the Browning went for in 1976, I was over the moon to get a good used one for $150.00 last year.

I was away traveling in 1972, and when I got back home, there was a catalogue at home from a now defunct surplus store in Winnipeg offering Canadian Lee Enfield sniper rifles in the box with scope for $129.99.

No, I didn't buy one, I was saving for my next trip. In those days every $10.00 I made could see me though several days in Europe, Africa or Asia.
 
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