Making bullets to sell

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Hi there I have been thinking about making bullets to sell to my friends and other people. I was wondering if I am am allowed to by law make and sell them. I think there is a good market if I am allowed to make and sell them. Any info you have I would like to read. Thanks Andrew
 
I am no expert, but I figure that would be asking for trouble.
Liability, licensing and whatnot.
 
Making ammo and selling it without insurance and business licence would be a very risky venture. If an accident happened, your very lifes work is at risk. I will not even let anyone shoot any of my reloads , even at the range.
 
OK, hand-wringers, fall back. He said bullets, let's let him clarify before we force any more words down his throat.:rolleyes:
 
I am guessing that you wish to venture into the "remanufactured" (reloading), market?

A few things to consider.....

Business license, risk assesments, insurance, storage magazines (explosives), possible zoning issues.

In order to operate legitimately, your rewards would never offset your investment.
 
andygumpers said:
I ment ammo not bullets sorry
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You will have to have a place in an industrial section.

You have to have a business license.

You have to have a license from NCan(?).

You have to have insurance.

You have to pay $200 for each and every load tested and approved before you are allowed to sell.

Are you still interested in this very expensive venture?

If so, dig deep into your pockets.
 
hakx said:
I am guessing that you wish to venture into the "remanufactured" (reloading), market?

A few things to consider.....

Business license, risk assesments, insurance, storage magazines (explosives), possible zoning issues.

In order to operate legitimately, your rewards would never offset your investment.
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Pardon?

As I see it, the only major expense that you have listed might be insurance. The rest could be minimal depending on where he set's up his business.
 
RePete said:
You will have to have a place in an industrial section. Or a location in the country.

You have to have a business license. My business licence is $200.00 a year.

You have to have a license from NCan(?). The question mark indicates you don't know either?;)

You have to have insurance. check

You have to pay $200 for each and every load tested and approved before you are allowed to sell. peanuts in the big picture

Are you still interested in this very expensive venture?

If so, dig deep into your pockets.
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Sure, if you just want to crank out a few boxes a year, it might be expensive. But I'll bet that no one here will claim Canada does not need another ammo manufacturer.
 
I can't remember the new name, it used to be CanMet and before that EMR.

Insurance is liability, because if there's a misshap, it could cost you everything, and insurance isn't cheap.

The location, if in the country, would have to be approved.
 
Originally Posted by RePete/ joe-nwt
You will have to have a place in an industrial section. Or a location in the country. In a building that ERD will accept... they rejected mine!

You have to have a business license. My business licence is $200.00 a year. is that for firearms or ammo sales?

You have to have a license from NCan(?). The question mark indicates you don't know either?;) It's NRCAN ERD ... and it's a book of paperwork. Site plans, policies, procedures... storage plans, fire plans, ETC ETC ETC.
Manufacturing permit is 1100 a year. Application process fee was I think 850...

 You have to have insurance. check Yes 2 million

You have to pay $200 for each and every load tested and approved before you are allowed to sell. peanuts in the big picture Also need to deal with the language and packaging issue. These need to be approved as well.. Might be peanuts but consider you will normally be looking at 15-20 different loads... and you need to have the load done (money laid out for everything) before you can start selling them so 10-20K laid out per calibre before you can even get them tested....


Your magazine permits cost as well (since you will need powder and primer storage).. They need to be built to certain standards and they ain't cheap ( $400 padlocks anyone) doors that cost $400 just for the plans and may cost you upwards of $2000 to build.

And don't forget the corporate side of this you will want to incorporate so there is another $1000 really quick.. Don't cheap out have it don't right...


Are you still interested in this very expensive venture?

If so, dig deep into your pockets.
Sure, if you just want to crank out a few boxes a year, it might be expensive. But I'll bet that no one here will claim Canada does not need another ammo manufacturer. __________________

Lets not get naive about this... I put about 20K into the process before I pulled the plug becuase they rejected my building... I had equipment and had started building stock...

To do it right would take 10K to get into it (no building, no machines, no stock) just the paperwork, legwork, time, permits and insurance (just where do you get insurance for this anyways!)...

You don't only need a business plan but a policy and procedures manual, proper book keeping, QC procedures etc.

Lets start with your building.... It requires
  • a monitored security system,
  • access control to the reloading facility and storage
  • electrical NEMA 5 or better all you machines and lighting are required to comply to this as well...
Your equipment (remember some of it is controlled under ITAR so if it's not in country you will need import and export permits)
  • Figure a Camdex or ammo load used is 12-20K,
  • case inspector 10K,
  • Case sorter ??? (never could find a good one at a good price!)
  • industrial tumbler 5K,
  • boxing machine 10K,
  • Each caliber will cost another 15K (minimum is you want to switch over you machines)
  • Want to start with a 1050 or something sure go for it... See if they will say it's "reapeatable" enough to be commercial grade!
Then you get into stock... Cases, primers, powder, projectiles,packaging (trays, inners, outers).. Getting good prices means getting larger quantities....

Advertising, shipping, and then last customers...

Everybody wants something cheaper but still want it to be top of the line... You need to cover your costs and make at least 20%.. But the cost of you components are always going up and some items are really hard to lay your hands on...


Should you get big enough that you need staff... There is another story...


Would I like to do it.. Sure would... I would need to build a building.. But I don't have the capital and the banks offer of 10K of small business funding isn't enough.. I would need 50K as a start in addition to what I have already... 100K would be even better... But I'm willing to start with 1 calibre and 3 different loads. Any body looking be the financial backer for an ammo company...

And for the gentleman who started the thread... You might want to understand the terms before you start looking at a business... A bullet is a projectile... It's called ammunition... and whoever said remanunfactured... it's actually a misnomer.. It's manufacturing.. More then 50% of the product is new.. remanufacturing only applies where 50% or more is refurbished old product...

 
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I got the impression that the OP just wanted to make up some reloads in his basement and sell a couple of hundred to his friends. Maybe enough to pay for his own ammo use. Now what would he need then?
 
Mercury0_0 said:
I got the impression that the OP just wanted to make up some reloads in his basement and sell a couple of hundred to his friends. Maybe enough to pay for his own ammo use. Now what would he need then?
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Everything that was mentioned in my post and the posts above it... There is no hobby level to this... There is a minimum $5000 fine for manufacture and sales of ammunition without proper license... Everybody seems to think that reloading is a god given right but it's an amazing loophole since it covers so much of the Explosives act. It allows you to bypass the storage, security and manufacturing requirements. It allows you to bypass the inspection and licensing requirements.. Don't get me wrong I'm not suggesting that they take it away...
 
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