VZ-58 For A Fighting Rifle
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you folks in canada would be nuts to buy a vz2000 and have it imported. While they are very nice the $$ is simply in no way shape or form even close to worth it. your $600 vz's make us here envious, I can barely build one for that.
For any Americans lurking; while what he says is true for Canadians; It is not for us. The CZ Vz.58's are crapola compared to the Ohio Ordinance Works Vz's. Don't wast 800 dollars for lack of 400 more. I own both, and the OHO is far superior to the CZ offering; Just FYI. One maxim from my youth: Don't do anything half-assed! If you're going to do it, then do it, and if you're not, then don't even start. Don't go cheap on the finest 7.62x39 platform ever devised. Get the OHO. I assure you it's worth the extra cost.
P.S. I'm not an OHO shill, just a guy who, if asked to go into combat, and was given only one choice of rifle, would go with the OHO VZ2000; best all-round rifle-round ever made, mated to the finest platform to ever shoot it. I've had Arsenal AK's, and would trade them in a heartbeat for a Vz.58. In the US that means OHO VZ2000. Smooth as buttah' and "Klingon-able!" LOL.
P.S. I'm not an OHO shill, just a guy who, if asked to go into combat, and was given only one choice of rifle, would go with the OHO VZ2000; best all-round rifle-round ever made, mated to the finest platform to ever shoot it. I've had Arsenal AK's, and would trade them in a heartbeat for a Vz.58. In the US that means OHO VZ2000. Smooth as buttah' and "Klingon-able!" LOL.
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sorry im in late on this one..
someone once made noise at me that you guys cant get saiga's .. but then you can get these beauties !
anyways this is the latest and greatest of the saigas we can get in NZ.. once the 7.62x39 version comes out i may get one.. change a couple internal pins and hello 30 round mag
this version is 7.62x51 [ no high cap mags :'( ]
someone once made noise at me that you guys cant get saiga's .. but then you can get these beauties !
anyways this is the latest and greatest of the saigas we can get in NZ.. once the 7.62x39 version comes out i may get one.. change a couple internal pins and hello 30 round mag
this version is 7.62x51 [ no high cap mags :'( ]
hugehodge83
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I have an 858 that ive been shooting for some time now.. and i have to say it may be my favorite weapons system ever. By far the most durable, effective, accurate (with a few mods) and user friendly firearms I have ever used.
On the 858 the barrel is a little long but ive also used the 58 models and same deal. Like an AK... but better!
On the 858 the barrel is a little long but ive also used the 58 models and same deal. Like an AK... but better!
The sights do not lend themselves well for precision target shooting. However mine is capable of ringing a 12 X 24 gong at 350 yard with chec surplus. So not an F-class rig but not bad for what it is.
hugehodge83
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The battle sights are good for hitting.. well... broad sides of barnes... sometimes... but if you throw an optic on there (basically any optic) your accuracy will greatly increase. Just make sure it can hold zero after shooting that round
I like my CZ58, but I'm not deluded about what it is.
Accurate? Enough for what it was designed for. Accuracy is also limited by the ammunition commonly available.
User friendly? Not quite as bad as an AK, but the ergonomics still suck compared to most modern rifle designs.
hugehodge83
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True... well some of it. The accuracy (atleast in my hands) is less than what it is with an ar15 model, but compared to the vast majority of surplus rifles is a light in the dark.
As for user friendly, not once ever, ever, have i ever had a jam with my 858, and yes although the cocking handle is on the wrong side and the saftey is out of the way, i would rather have to cant my weapon to #### it than have a nasty jam. Cause at the end of the day thats what matters.
And no, no rifle made in the 60s will be put togeather as well as one put togeather last week... but for what it is the 858 is a quality all round weapon. Lets not forget either... the 7.62x39 round isint made to be accurate.. its made to put you down and keep you there.
PerversPépère
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Wrong side?
COCKING HANDLE ON THE WRONG SIDE?!!
Mmmhh, not so sure about that: if you examine the natural angle of the hand when drawing the carrier back, you'll see that it is in a more straight line when the bolt is retracted with the lower part of the hand than if it were actuated by the fingers if placed on the left side of the carrier.
You just wipe the bolt back with the palm of your hand, you don't have to bend your wrist and rely on a firm grasp of the fingers. Easier and ergonomically better.
You can even actuate the bolt with a few broken fingers; try this with a left-side position of the handle without bending your arm in an awkward position or having to point the rifle upwards...
Of course, if you're a southpaw, it's a whole new ball game...
PP.
COCKING HANDLE ON THE WRONG SIDE?!!
Mmmhh, not so sure about that: if you examine the natural angle of the hand when drawing the carrier back, you'll see that it is in a more straight line when the bolt is retracted with the lower part of the hand than if it were actuated by the fingers if placed on the left side of the carrier.
You just wipe the bolt back with the palm of your hand, you don't have to bend your wrist and rely on a firm grasp of the fingers. Easier and ergonomically better.
You can even actuate the bolt with a few broken fingers; try this with a left-side position of the handle without bending your arm in an awkward position or having to point the rifle upwards...
Of course, if you're a southpaw, it's a whole new ball game...
PP.
hugehodge83
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Haha no southpaw here... but i always always keep my hand on the pistol grip when im holding the rifle... especially when cocking it. Its something thats stuck on me from the military and especially urban ops training.
Your right your method does work but i find it much quicker, and more effective to load a new mag and release/#### the bold while it is in the shoulder...
Thats just me though.
Your right your method does work but i find it much quicker, and more effective to load a new mag and release/#### the bold while it is in the shoulder...
Thats just me though.
PerversPépère
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Yes, and I see your point; your handling method is derived from the experience in the use of a very different model of firearm, probably an M-16 variant.
In fact, if the VZ-58 had a bolt release, this thread would not fly.
But let's keep in mind the ComBloc's way of seeing things: "If it has more than ten parts, it can be broken by brute force. And we have an army of brutes..."
I like my VZ-58 raw, just like artichokes and sushi.
PP.
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I like my VZ-58 raw, just like artichokes and sushi.
PP.
Agreed. Only mod I've done to mine is to replace the fixed stock with the factory folding stock. It handles a bit better now, but that factory folder is NOT friendly to the cheek bone
I ought to get a second one to play "gun lego" with. Maybe a 58L if they are ever in stock again.
hugehodge83
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Right... well that was a pretty horrible slip of the tounge if i ever made one
Ive been meaning to ask though... how does the folding stock handle? it seems a bit floppy.. or maybe that was just the one i used? how do you find it?
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Bought one of each, and I'll agree with you +1 on durability, effectiveness, and user friendliness. If unmodified, the sights are not high on my list of things I love about these rifles. And I'm working on two different solutions to that issue, a longer-range one for the 858 and a 1x active optic for the -58.
COCKING HANDLE ON THE WRONG SIDE?!!
Mmmhh, not so sure about that: if you examine the natural angle of the hand when drawing the carrier back, you'll see that it is in a more straight line when the bolt is retracted with the lower part of the hand than if it were actuated by the fingers if placed on the left side of the carrier.
You just wipe the bolt back with the palm of your hand, you don't have to bend your wrist and rely on a firm grasp of the fingers. Easier and ergonomically better.
You can even actuate the bolt with a few broken fingers; try this with a left-side position of the handle without bending your arm in an awkward position or having to point the rifle upwards...
Of course, if you're a southpaw, it's a whole new ball game...
PP.
In order to keep your strong hand on the pistol grip at all times, just run the VZ bolt by reaching UNDER the rifle. You don't need to tilt it or reach over. That way the rifle stays upright and your hand stays on the pistol grip.
I personally don't take much issue with the charging handle being setup the way that it is; shoot, most rifles are setup that way. Unless you're firing and HK or a FAL then the world pretty much works with the charging handle on the right hand side. Besides, learning to use your weak hand to operate the rifle is just as important as becoming proficient with your strong hand. Same for one handed pistol shooting, but that's another thread I suppose. As my Daddy always used to say: "It's a HANDgun boy, not a handSgun! The "S" is just in there silently, to remind you to practice equally with both of them!"
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hugehodge83
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I think we are comparing the cz/vz to an ar model amongst other things even if we dont really mean to... you can #### an ar with either hand pretty easily so it kinda makes sence we would compare it to the most common model on the market today.
x2 about using your weak hand though.
