Cut down Beretta CX4?

Nine said:
Looks like you could take a spacer out of the butt stock as well....
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OZZ said:
I dont think the OAL means anything in this case because its allready restricted, OAL comes into play with non-restricted rifles and shotguns.
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That makes sense... yeah, when I was reading the Prohib'd rules with a Non-Restricted rifle in mind it was clear.

CHOP the CX4 STORM!!! :D
(Did some Photoshop work myself... Holy Crap! I want one!!)

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here is the barrel shroud...

Here are the pics of my barrel shroud.

There are different versions of this that you can get.

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Here's a pic of my "long range" Storm...

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lol....I don't really use the scope on the storm at the range.

I was just playing around with it. I might actually try it out just to see how it works out on a "longer" range...more than 25 yards anyways.
 
New shorter barrel = good to go.

Cut down original barrel and reinstall = prohibited firearm.

I agree that I'd like to interpret the definition of prohibited firearm (modified to under 18") shouldn't apply to rifles starting under 18" and going shorter, but I've confirmed that the CFC interprets the law to say that even if the rifles barrel is under 18", once you've modified the length, and it's under 18", and the barrel is returned back to the firearm, you've made a prohibited firearm.

It's why we've never cut a customers 16" barrel.
 
Delis said:
Nice set up but Long range storm?...... hahaha
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agree its not good for 200 yards - I tried! But out to 120-130 Beretta still hits the paper and you don"t need any hold-over. Never tried 90 grain bullets, those may fly fast enough for 200 yards point-blank range.

Yeah, that scope is a bit of an overkill. 4x is all you need. Storm actually shines with iron sights.

Question - if someone cuts the barrel and declare it and change registration certificate - that must be legal then, right? The only problem with restricted is that barrel length goes into registration papers, so if one amends it than it should be ok, right? I been told that eve5rything is possible as long as one makes it clear what he is doing and informs authority. Heck one can even build his own firearm as long as its semi and authorities know about it.
 
Ok... Dangertree, thanks for clarifying.

In that case I will just go with a 19" (Non-Restricted) .357Sig barrel :) --- I think that (.357sig), with 90gr. bullets would be an awesome package.
 
dangertree said:
New shorter barrel = good to go.

Cut down original barrel and reinstall = prohibited firearm.

I agree that I'd like to interpret the definition of prohibited firearm (modified to under 18") shouldn't apply to rifles starting under 18" and going shorter, but I've confirmed that the CFC interprets the law to say that even if the rifles barrel is under 18", once you've modified the length, and it's under 18", and the barrel is returned back to the firearm, you've made a prohibited firearm.

It's why we've never cut a customers 16" barrel.
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Are you sure? I think at the worst all you would have to do is have it re-verified. Again I think your mixing up the non-restricted and restricted regulations.


I dont see any sense in this at all but then again most of these laws make no sense.
 
OZZ said:
Are you sure? I think at the worst all you would have to do is have it re-verified. Again I think your mixing up the non-restricted and restricted regulations.


I dont see any sense in this at all but then again most of these laws make no sense.
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I'm not mixing it up, and otherwise agree with you. Nothing to do with the firearms act (restricted, non-restricted, etc), has to do with the definition of a prohibited firearm as quoted above.

* a rifle or shotgun that has been altered to make the barrel length less than 457 mm (18 inches) where the overall firearm length is 660 mm (26 inches) or more;
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I disagree, and think that if the barrel was under 18" to start, a chop isn't the alteration that makes the barrel less than 18", because it is already under 18", but I was clearly told that this is the CFCs legal peoples interpretation of the definition.
 
If thats the case cutting a barrel isnt the only method of "altering" a firearms length. Also according to that quote it only applies "where the overall firearm length is 660 mm (26 inches) or more" so in cases where its less the law doesnt apply.

Clear as mud.
 
G37 said:
Ok... Dangertree, thanks for clarifying.

In that case I will just go with a 19" (Non-Restricted) .357Sig barrel :) --- I think that (.357sig), with 90gr. bullets would be an awesome package.
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hmm interesting. Will 357 sig rounds fit 9mm Luger magazine? Also bolthead - will it handle bigger diameter rounds? Otherwise it sounds really good. Tables show over 1700fps for 90-grainers (with right powder), and thats for pistol barrel.
 
22lr said:
Who in his right mind will be cutting Beretta Cx4 if one can instead re-classify it as non-restricted with longer barrel? That is where real fun begings.

Cutting works on something that is hopelessley confined to shooting range. Have a look at my Mechtech CCU after recent butchering.

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and this is after. Note folder all-metal stock and muzzle break and overall shortened frame.

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this is poor man's SMG, the real one. CCU is only 300-400$ and 1911 probably in the same range. There was CCU with Glock frame for sale on EE for 500$.
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Thats all well and good until the Empire finds out you've got one of their stormtroopers carbines!!

The Storm looks much better at that length, good thinking!
 
22lr said:
hmm interesting. Will 357 sig rounds fit 9mm Luger magazine? Also bolthead - will it handle bigger diameter rounds? Otherwise it sounds really good. Tables show over 1700fps for 90-grainers (with right powder), and thats for pistol barrel.
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Yeah, I contacted Beretta a while back and was told that everything between the 9mm and 40S&W was identical (except for the magazines and barrel).

I've already spoke to BITS OF PIECES and he can make the .357SIG barrels but I have to pay 1/2 for the 357SIG Reamer... if anyone else is interested PM me and maybe we can get a better deal.

I think hot 357SIG pushing a 90gr bullet out a 19" barrel would be getting close to a real centerfire rifle --- could make 100m shots with confidence & precision (200m possible?) :D
 
To add, the above 'interpretation' that I posted is just that, an interpretation. The only one who can say that for sure is a judge, and I also understand this has never been decided in a court of law.

It's obvious that the spirit of this definition of a prohibited firearm is related to "sawed off shotguns" and not the shortening of barrels already restricted length.

But if the CFC legal dept says that they would see the shortening of an <18" restricted barreled firearm to even an more <18" restricted firearm as creating a prohibited firearm. I can't afford to be charged, fight it in court, to see what a judge says, particularly if I'm wrong!

Any lawyers want to comment with their thoughts on the matter?
 
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