home defence shotgun, which one?
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norinco HP9-1 $14" barrle 5 shots $269.99
single point sling mount $45
single point sling $36
oversized safety $15
Fab Defance railed forend $49 ( for you weapons light)
$414 and still non restricted.
we have all of these in stock.
bbb
You're a complete jerk BadBoyBeeson. You ruined what promised to be a very long and entertaining thread with lots of heated discussion by injecting common sense and practicality right at the beginning! We could have dragged this on for 10 pages if YOU hadn't shown up! 
That's it - 2 demerits for you for 'excessive practicality leading to disrupting a thread'.
In a desperate attempt to keep the thread going - i'll also point out that BBB's platform would serve well as a camp defense gun (when in doubt, go for a bear defense thread ) as well as a good survival/emergency gun (take some flares and birdshot too.)
Few things in this world are more effective than the ringing 'clack' of a shotgun pump and staring down the gaping maw of a 12 guage barrel to encourage bad guys to be somewhere else as quickly as possible.
That's it - 2 demerits for you for 'excessive practicality leading to disrupting a thread'.
In a desperate attempt to keep the thread going - i'll also point out that BBB's platform would serve well as a camp defense gun (when in doubt, go for a bear defense thread
) as well as a good survival/emergency gun (take some flares and birdshot too.)Few things in this world are more effective than the ringing 'clack' of a shotgun pump and staring down the gaping maw of a 12 guage barrel to encourage bad guys to be somewhere else as quickly as possible.
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DA grizzly: 12.5" barreled with the standard bead sight. install a short LOP wood or laminate full stock and dont make any other 'tactical' modifications.
its legal, non-restricted, compact yet if you ever end up in court after shooting a home invader (and you will most likely be charged with something) then it will look a hell of a lot more innocent than the average zombie gun.
if you ever actually do have to shoot a home invader, IMO it would be better to have done it with something that looks like you just grabbed a hunting weapon that was handy in your cabinet, than to do it with something scary-looking and bristling with lights/lasers and picatinny rails. there would be a drastic difference in public perception of both guns:
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the latter will have people thinking that you are chomping at the bit to shoot someone, and is a hell of a lot more scary looking to average non-gun owning sheeple and even many gun owners.
before the zombie gun crowd flips out on me i would just like to point out that this is my own personal opinion -- and i believe that everyone is free to choose whatever they want for their HD gun. a zombie gun is certainly better than having nothing at all.
i have an 870 zombie gun myself, for plinking and fun, but i dont think setting one up specifically for home defense is very wise. in this country of crazy laws and public perception if i ever found myself in such a situation i would hope the gun i shot the attacker with could be passed off as a hunting weapon that i grabbed out of opportunity and not something that looked like i specifically set it up with the intent to shoot burglars, because thats the first thing the prosecution would try to establish.
its legal, non-restricted, compact yet if you ever end up in court after shooting a home invader (and you will most likely be charged with something) then it will look a hell of a lot more innocent than the average zombie gun.
if you ever actually do have to shoot a home invader, IMO it would be better to have done it with something that looks like you just grabbed a hunting weapon that was handy in your cabinet, than to do it with something scary-looking and bristling with lights/lasers and picatinny rails. there would be a drastic difference in public perception of both guns:
vs
the latter will have people thinking that you are chomping at the bit to shoot someone, and is a hell of a lot more scary looking to average non-gun owning sheeple and even many gun owners.
before the zombie gun crowd flips out on me i would just like to point out that this is my own personal opinion -- and i believe that everyone is free to choose whatever they want for their HD gun. a zombie gun is certainly better than having nothing at all.
i have an 870 zombie gun myself, for plinking and fun, but i dont think setting one up specifically for home defense is very wise. in this country of crazy laws and public perception if i ever found myself in such a situation i would hope the gun i shot the attacker with could be passed off as a hunting weapon that i grabbed out of opportunity and not something that looked like i specifically set it up with the intent to shoot burglars, because thats the first thing the prosecution would try to establish.
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i already own an 870 that i use for waterfowling, so maybe i could just get a shorter barrel for that.
actually on second thought, i wanna get a new (or used) shottie, and home defence seems like a good enough reason to convince the wife that WE need another one.
BTW, there was a home invasion 2 weeks ago just down the road from my house at 10pm
actually on second thought, i wanna get a new (or used) shottie, and home defence seems like a good enough reason to convince the wife that WE need another one.
BTW, there was a home invasion 2 weeks ago just down the road from my house at 10pm
I would also sggest a 14" HP-9 or one of the many short pumps by Mossy, Remington etc.
But also keep in mind for home defence... a 12 G coach gun, the reasoning, you can load it quieter and faster. Mind you, now you only have 2 shells.
But also keep in mind for home defence... a 12 G coach gun, the reasoning, you can load it quieter and faster. Mind you, now you only have 2 shells.
I stand by my original suggestion for the reasons manbearpig laid out. Innocuous little shotty that'll get the message across but doesn't scare jurors. (Youth 870 20g weighs next to nothing, short 21" barrel... shorter stock so the OAL is ~41"... and makes a nice racking noise.)
I also like the coach gun suggestion from bill_c68 regardless of only having two rounds the old double is a heck of deterant factor.
I also like the coach gun suggestion from bill_c68 regardless of only having two rounds the old double is a heck of deterant factor.
manbearpig
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a coach gun is an awesome idea.
American friends that have actually woken up to the noise of people INSIDE their house told me, however, that simply the SOUND of racking the slide on a pump is enough to send a burglar running. i would only assume the snap of a SxS closing wouldnt have the same immediate effect
most of those American friends, however, swear by PREVENTION rather than actually having to rely on defending yourself by having a shootout with crooks. they install bars on their basement windows, plant holly or large thornbushes underneath their ground floor windows, install very sturdy kick-proof doors/locks, etc.
i think that if you are truly worried about your home being invaded, then you should first takes steps to harden your home and make less of an easy target, and then perhaps get a dog - before you set out to buy a home defense gun.
American friends that have actually woken up to the noise of people INSIDE their house told me, however, that simply the SOUND of racking the slide on a pump is enough to send a burglar running. i would only assume the snap of a SxS closing wouldnt have the same immediate effect
m.
This is such an urban BS myth its not even funny. Disclosing your position and your state of readiness is a bad idea. Anyone who is familiar with the sound of a pump action shotgun will either leave, or prepare to fight. Anyone not familiar with the sound will carry on about their criminal activity. Why be so ignorant and give someone the chance to fight back? Verbal commands, not BS hollywood crap.
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where can i get the wood stock and foregrip for the DA grizzly 12.5" shotgun?
also, would the mag fed shotgun make more sense as a home defence gun? i'd think it would, since you can't leave a loaded shotgun around, but you can leave a loaded mag in the bedside table. front door kicked in, grab mag, slap into gun, rack slide, into action. can you get wood stock for the mag fed shotguns as well?
also, would the mag fed shotgun make more sense as a home defence gun? i'd think it would, since you can't leave a loaded shotgun around, but you can leave a loaded mag in the bedside table. front door kicked in, grab mag, slap into gun, rack slide, into action. can you get wood stock for the mag fed shotguns as well?
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manbearpig
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look for 870 take-off stocks and forends in the EE, sometimes theyre as cheap as $20. they pop up very frequently.
no idea if theyd fit, i would assume they do but its always best to ask.
only takes a couple of seconds to grab a handful of shells, toss one in the chamber, chamber it and pop 2 more in the mag. you can also top off a tube-fed gun whenever you like.
i would go with the traditional shotgun simply because it fits my personal preference for 'low key' and i see very few advantages to having a mag on a shotgun and many disadvantages.
but lets get real - the odds of you actually having to use this in a home defence situation are very, very, very low -- so get whatever you like since youll actually be using the gun at the range and at camp a hell of a lot more than youll be shooting at home invaders, zombies or landsharks
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You're a complete jerk BadBoyBeeson. You ruined what promised to be a very long and entertaining thread with lots of heated discussion by injecting common sense and practicality right at the beginning! We could have dragged this on for 10 pages if YOU hadn't shown up!
That's it - 2 demerits for you for 'excessive practicality leading to disrupting a thread'.
In a desperate attempt to keep the thread going - i'll also point out that BBB's platform would serve well as a camp defense gun (when in doubt, go for a bear defense thread
Few things in this world are more effective than the ringing 'clack' of a shotgun pump and staring down the gaping maw of a 12 guage barrel to encourage bad guys to be somewhere else as quickly as possible.
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Think of it this way.
The gun is set up for "Bear defence" not people
bbb
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i totally agree with you on the low key gun. now that i think of it, and tried some fast loads with my mossberg tube fed gun, the mag fed does seem a little more than low key.
my home defence gun will be separate from my camp/bear/play gun, so i don't have to worry about only having one gun.
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I posted this in another thread but it works here to. I happen to think that for home defence the short barrelled coach is one of the best choices going..I believe a better choice than a handgun or pump....here's why:
Let me see f I can convince you.... I'm talking about defense in the home (hense my "from the bedroom to the kitchen" reference). I would not recomend that one carry this on his person outside the house. Rarely does self defence with a firearm involve any mag changes or more than a few shots...in this situation hits and reliability count.
Here's some stats I found on the net:
First, 95% of all gunfights occur when the opponents are within 0–21 feet of each other. Of these, 20% find that the opponents are 10 to 21 feet apart, 20% when the opponents are 5 to 10 feet from each other, and 55% of the time gunfire occurs when the combatants are within 5 feet of each other.
Second, a man with a knife can cover the distance of 21 feet in 1.5 seconds or less while the average time it takes to draw a handgun from a concealed location by a trained person is closer to 2.0 seconds.
Third, most gunfights transpire in low light or minimal light conditions and last between 3 and 5 seconds.
Fourth, during those 3 to 5 seconds of the gunfight only 3 or 4 shots will be fired on average and of those shots fired only 1 in 4 will strike either one of the combatants.
So - In the dead of night, awaking from your sleep and in terror, the ability to draw, aim, and fire will be severly limited. The beauty of the coach is it's simplicity of operation and the number of pellets per shot. If you are likely to only fire a few shots in self defence I'd rather fire two shots that held sixteen projectiles, than just three or four. Also according to the above stats, if you encounter a guy in your kitchen and he is intent on doing you harm you really have only a second before he's on top of you.
Have you ever short shucked a pump shotgun? I know I have, several times, this would be disasterous in this situation....it wouldn't happen with the sawed off...also if by chance you miss the punk with your pistol, shotgun, revolver or whatever, in the ensuing struggle he could conceivably wrestle the firearm away from you, which he could then proceed to pump all the remaining rounds into your sorry carcass..this would be much less likely with a sawed off as you'll likely get both rounds off before the dude gets to you, if you miss, well, you're on your own.
Jeff Cooper - the gun guru wrote this about the double:
A lady of our acquaintance, who lives alone, has asked us what sort of instrument is best for house defense in her case. To me the answer is easy: The "Lupara," a double-barreled 12-gauge shotgun with exposed hammers and short barrels. I understand the term Lupara is Sicilian and means approximately "wolf killer." Such a piece is enormously authoritative, it is easy to use, it requires minimal training in its management, and it may be left loaded and uncocked indefinitely on the closet shelf. The only precaution is to seal the muzzles with scotch tape or cotton wool to avoid the building of nests in the barrels by little varmints.
Such items are available from Rossi and Baikal, though you may have to hunt around for them at gun shows. Usually they are very reasonable in price.
Sorry - if you really look at the data the old double may not be as cool as the pump but it will get the job done, efficiently and effectively....
Let me see f I can convince you.... I'm talking about defense in the home (hense my "from the bedroom to the kitchen" reference). I would not recomend that one carry this on his person outside the house. Rarely does self defence with a firearm involve any mag changes or more than a few shots...in this situation hits and reliability count.
Here's some stats I found on the net:
First, 95% of all gunfights occur when the opponents are within 0–21 feet of each other. Of these, 20% find that the opponents are 10 to 21 feet apart, 20% when the opponents are 5 to 10 feet from each other, and 55% of the time gunfire occurs when the combatants are within 5 feet of each other.
Second, a man with a knife can cover the distance of 21 feet in 1.5 seconds or less while the average time it takes to draw a handgun from a concealed location by a trained person is closer to 2.0 seconds.
Third, most gunfights transpire in low light or minimal light conditions and last between 3 and 5 seconds.
Fourth, during those 3 to 5 seconds of the gunfight only 3 or 4 shots will be fired on average and of those shots fired only 1 in 4 will strike either one of the combatants.
So - In the dead of night, awaking from your sleep and in terror, the ability to draw, aim, and fire will be severly limited. The beauty of the coach is it's simplicity of operation and the number of pellets per shot. If you are likely to only fire a few shots in self defence I'd rather fire two shots that held sixteen projectiles, than just three or four. Also according to the above stats, if you encounter a guy in your kitchen and he is intent on doing you harm you really have only a second before he's on top of you.
Have you ever short shucked a pump shotgun? I know I have, several times, this would be disasterous in this situation....it wouldn't happen with the sawed off...also if by chance you miss the punk with your pistol, shotgun, revolver or whatever, in the ensuing struggle he could conceivably wrestle the firearm away from you, which he could then proceed to pump all the remaining rounds into your sorry carcass..this would be much less likely with a sawed off as you'll likely get both rounds off before the dude gets to you, if you miss, well, you're on your own.
Jeff Cooper - the gun guru wrote this about the double:
A lady of our acquaintance, who lives alone, has asked us what sort of instrument is best for house defense in her case. To me the answer is easy: The "Lupara," a double-barreled 12-gauge shotgun with exposed hammers and short barrels. I understand the term Lupara is Sicilian and means approximately "wolf killer." Such a piece is enormously authoritative, it is easy to use, it requires minimal training in its management, and it may be left loaded and uncocked indefinitely on the closet shelf. The only precaution is to seal the muzzles with scotch tape or cotton wool to avoid the building of nests in the barrels by little varmints.
Such items are available from Rossi and Baikal, though you may have to hunt around for them at gun shows. Usually they are very reasonable in price.
Sorry - if you really look at the data the old double may not be as cool as the pump but it will get the job done, efficiently and effectively....
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