I really need your help and input!

Thank you all for your advice!

The problem is, I am not out on my land every day. Some times I go a couple weeks before I get the chance to get out there. So catching them on my property is a hard one. But it SEEMS that this person goes out there on a friday/weekend when there are nice days out.

I agree with a few on here, I guess a trial cam and the law is the way to go. I dont need the ramifications of setting any trap "nails, that was suggested to me" but my luck buddy will step on one and sue me.

Thank you all again for your advice. I greatly appreciate it!
 
stubblejumper said:
So if you had a camera recording in your house when a thief broke in,the video would not be admissible because the thief wasn't warned about the camera?
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A "This house under video surveilence" sign would give your video a better chance of being admitted.

You might notice in your day to day life the various caveats used to inform people they might be recorded or filmed. While the sign itself might prove a detterent it also gives the recorded evidence a better chance to be used in court.

Those "This phone call may be recorded for quality control" messages certainly don't do anything for "Quality control".
 
You might notice in your day to day life the various caveats used to inform people they might be recorded or filmed. While the sign itself might prove a detterent it also gives the recorded evidence a better chance to be used in court.
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I am being allowed to legally enter those businesses,I am not breaking in.The plant that I work at uses video cameras,and they do inform employees of that fact,and the fact that all on site phone calls are recorded.However there are no signs present to warn anyone that might illegally enter the plant site about the cameras or recorded phone conversations.

Those "This phone call may be recorded for quality control" messages certainly don't do anything for "Quality control".
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When I hear that recorded message it is because I am initiating a legal phone call.Yet when that same business returns a call,the person doesn't say anything about recording the call.
 
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maybe try putting up a sign with a number to call for permission, stating that due to illigal trespass and poaching, all people entering are under video recording. Or something along those lines, maybe they will bust themselves by calling you.
 
My hunting group has been going through this for many...many years!!! We have been chasing people off the property for years. We have signs up all over the place, to not tresspass. One thing I have learned though this whole ordeal is that the more you tell them to stay off...the more they come. We have put up new fences, barriers, told them face to face to leave, called the cops etc, etc. and what has happened has been bad news. Our gates and fences have been torn down, cabin windows smashed, farm vehicle windows smashed and tires slashed....you can't win!!! Unless you can patrol the property 24/7, someone will tresspass!!! If you put up cams, make sure nobody can see them...or else they will be either gone or destroyed. Our property is prime, (deer, bears, turkeys, and lots of small game). We have just learned to live with it. My opinion, the more you fight, the more they will come back, to hunt and also to destroy. Some people just don't have any ethics or respect. Just go with the flow, and hopefully you don't run into these idiots while you are there...could be bad news.
 
My hunting group has been going through this for many...many years!!! We have been chasing people off the property for years. We have signs up all over the place, to not tresspass. One thing I have learned though this whole ordeal is that the more you tell them to stay off...the more they come. We have put up new fences, barriers, told them face to face to leave, called the cops etc, etc. and what has happened has been bad news. Our gates and fences have been torn down, cabin windows smashed, farm vehicle windows smashed and tires slashed....you can't win!!! Unless you can patrol the property 24/7, someone will tresspass!
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If they are damaging your property,the police should be taking action.If those responsible were convicted,I would put notices up of those convictions along with my no trespassing signs.It might make the next person thinking about trespassing think twice.

If the police will not act,and I had pictures of them damaging my property from a trail cam,I would use whatever legal means possible to find out who they are,and where they live.I would then place copies of those pictures on the front door step of their homes.No threats of any kind,just the pictures.Just having them know that you know where they live might make them rethink things a little.And no,I am not suggesting any illegal activity of any kind.
 
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I am being allowed to legally enter those businesses,I am not breaking in
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I would have thought it is self evident that the security messures are not directed at those who ARE NOT breaking the law?

The plant that I work at uses video cameras,and they do inform employees of that fact,and the fact that all on site phone calls are recorded.However there are no signs present to warn anyone that might illegally enter the plant site about the cameras or recorded phone conversations.
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My experience with caveats is that they do not target those who commit crimes but rather broadly adress everyone.

"This area under video surveilence"

not

"This area under video surveilence you ####ing thief!"


When I hear that recorded message it is because I am initiating a legal phone call.Yet when that same business returns a call,the person doesn't say anything about recording the call.
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This is correct. So if you suddnly threatened to blow up your local utility provider they could infact enter your recording into evidence as you were made aware that the conversation was being recorded. When they call you, you might want to inform them that you are recording the conversation in case things get ugly.

Bare in mind I'm simply going on what my lawyer told me and my own observations about public surveilence. Your milage may vary
 
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joe-nwt said:
If you put up signs warning of video surveillance, your camera will be stolen also.
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Or they won't tresspass

Or they can't read and they tresspass.

Or they will and they won't find you camera.

Or they will and your camera is in the wrong place

Or they will, a tree will fall on them and they will try and sue you.

etc etc
 
The only sign you need on private property is "Private property, no tresspassing." It's not a store or anywhere else normally accessable to the public. He does not need to warn anybody that he might use HIS camera on HIS private property. "No tresspassing" is the warning to the tresspasser that he may be video recorded, audio recorded, he might fall in the fishing hole and drown, he might stub his toe on a tree root, he might get a flat from a sharp rock on his ATV, etc. "No tresspassing" warns of these and many other dangers of being on the property without permission.
 
Ok,
Obviously there are lots of illegal things you could do to make a trespasser's stay on your property less enjoyable. However, what if you might want to someday use the road that they are taking into your property? Ditches, barricades, and other PASSIVE detterents are a great idea. Especially because they can be removed or filled in eventually. Boxes of roofing nails, spike strips, and other "home alone" style tricks will be more trouble than they're worth. And if someone is hurt because of one of your traps, they can sue you, AND win, and then you'll be charged on top of that.

As far as trail cameras, I personally wouldn't put them up. Even the IR trail cameras use a light, that looks red when it turns on. If you have a trail camera up, and the trespassers see it, then you can pretty much guarantee that that's an investment you'll never see again. If you do get one, get a CHEAP one, put a few pieces of tape over the flash, and try it out yourself before you place it.

Since you aren't in the area all the time, if there are any neighbours, ask them to keep an eye out for people on your property.

It's easy for everyone to say; "I would let the law take care of it." But the police aren't going to stake out your property, waiting for some guys on atv's, who have been fishing & leaving litter. So it's up to you to find out who they are, and then pursue legal action.

That's my $.02
Cheers.
Tim
 
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The only sign you need on private property is "Private property, no tresspassing." It's not a store or anywhere else normally accessable to the public. He does not need to warn anybody that he might use HIS camera on HIS private property. "No tresspassing" is the warning to the tresspasser that he may be video recorded, audio recorded, he might fall in the fishing hole and drown, he might stub his toe on a tree root, he might get a flat from a sharp rock on his ATV, etc. "No tresspassing" warns of these and many other dangers of being on the property without permission.
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You can do whatever you want but you do not determine what will be admissible if you choose to take your evidence to court.
 
glang1 said:
I hate trespassers too. I would suggest trying to talk to them first, but be careful. If that doesn't work get the law involved.
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I'm afraid after putting up signage and obsicles, I'd be all done with diplomacy. The next person he'd be talking to is the local LEO's/CO's
 
Just a thought, but if you are going to go for a stroll down to your fishing hole, you might want to consider taking a friend or two with you. At least if anything gets out of hand and you find yourself in a scuffle your friends can provide testimony later on that you were only acting in self defense. I'm not suggesting you start a fight, however it will be much easier to prove that you didn't if you have three people telling the same story.

I would also take a length of chain and a padlock along on the same walk, and chain the frame of the quad to the nearest tree, then call the police. If your problem takes off on foot, let him go. The quad is either registered (leading the police to him) or possible stolen (which would remove his transportation).
 
Excellent advice, Shrek thanks :)

This "fishing hole" is actually a big lake, in which nobody else lives on. No I do not own this lake "good luck with that"

There is only one way to get to my fishing spot on MY property, and that is by tresspassing and you can only get into my property from this very one location.

About me being out there alone, I am not the least bit concerned there. I can take care of myself, but hope nothing like that ever has to happen.

People up here are pretty nice. I am thinking it must be someone who used to use my land back before I bought it. You see, there never was a gate put up or anything before we bought it. Nobody had a house or anything on this land. So the asshat that does not know how to read likely thinks, well psst.. screw you because I used this land before you did.

I think I have a good idea who it is. And on Sept 14th I am going to be camping out there the night before Grouse opener to be up early on the 15th. I dont think the person that is tresspassing on my land is a hunter, but I do know that there is 1 hunter that leaves his phucking shotgun shells all over the place just before the gate on my land that tries to beat me to the grouse around my land on opening day that I would like to have a good talk with about his littering.

And I know it is the same guy every year because he only uses one brand of shells, and you cant buy these puppies at your local CT or Wallyworld.
 
You could try putting up another sign beside your no trespassing one. A "Use Respect" and a phone number to call for permission is a diplomatic solution, if you wanted to go that route and avoid a possible violent or heated confrontation when you run into them out there.
Sad to say, a third sign saying "Please don't litter, Pack out what you pack in" may be needed with this litterbug as well...
 
northwoodslivin said:
Excellent advice, Shrek thanks :)

This "fishing hole" is actually a big lake, in which nobody else lives on. No I do not own this lake "good luck with that"

There is only one way to get to my fishing spot on MY property, and that is by tresspassing and you can only get into my property from this very one location.
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Is this a "named body of water", cuz if it is, you can't restrict access to it. There will be RM roads that go to the water, and if your gate is across one of them, you're lucky you still have a gate.
 
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