IPSC General Assembly issues of "concern"

How would you vote?

  • Yes to manatory Reload in Med and Long

    Votes: 28 32.6%

  • NO to mandatory Reload in Med and Long

    Votes: 52 60.5%

  • Yes to retiring the Metric Target

    Votes: 20 23.3%

  • No to retiring the Metric Target

    Votes: 65 75.6%
  • Total voters
    86
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Hey guys.....
I have been away from the GV site what with preping for Drama Daze etc.

Got directed there following the shotgun thread here.

WOW!

There are some "interesting" proposals up for a vote at the General Assembly


Two in particular caught my eye.

1) getting rid of the "metric" target.

2) making reloads mandatory in Med and Long courses of fire.


I thought I would make a poll (non binding of course to our RD) to gauge what some Canadians thought of the issue.

Of course as CGN is NOT an official IPSC CANADA site the proper venue would be to email sean and let him know how you would like Canada to vote..
(I appologize in advance to any detrimental effect this has on Seans inbox)


you can make multiple votes. Plese pick only ONE of the top to options and ONE of the bottom two
 
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yes there is a proposal to allow 2.3 scale targets (like mini poppers.) to me this is a good thing since it will allow simulated distances.
 
I don't agree with the two proposals Storm highlights, however I do agree with the smaller targets, but I think they should be allowed to mix and match them in a stage, that would really make people think.
 
FWIW, We had to make our minds already since our rep is leaving for Bali.
We're voting as follows on the controversial issues...

Against removing the Metric Target. (Dunno how it will play out)
AGAINST AIRSOFT!!! (We'll loose.)
For the little target - simulated distance + more targets downrange in an indoor range is good (we'll be on the winning side)
Against stopping mixing small and large targets (small simulates distance, so why not long and short shots in a stage) Dunno how this will play out either.
For the USA. (More of our members will accept slots) This one is a race.
For the Mandatory reloads (should win) and here's why:

1. Doesn't effect us with regard to mag capacity. We're 10 rounds no matter what.
2. Removes the requirement to have a standard gun go in the box with a mag. Which we have an exemption that could be taken anyway at any time. Longer mags for single stacks will remain and all those that bought 140mm mags for double stacks or viper or 2 Alpha base pads won't have to sweat anymore.
3. Reloading is part of our sport. Shooting a long course without a reload is not testing your shooting ability.

I was initially against this due to the word "Mandatory", but as I thought about it more and more, it became obvious that this is a good thing.
 
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Freedom Ventures said:
I was initially against this due to the word "Mandatory", but as I thought about it more and more, it became obvious that this is a good thing.
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Nothing personal Sean.......but I am somewhat concerned with the word "I" when used above.

I do not know much about IPSC Politics (and I think that is a good thing at times) but would it not be prudent (proper) to somehow gauge the desire of shooters in our region when coming up with a Canadian Stance? Or (as in many political systems) are you given cart blanche once elected.

Reading the proposals on the GV was the first I heard of the whole issue. I would imagine that many Canadian Shooters have never even been on GV or knew what was going on. Now we (I) find that it has already been determined?

What exactly was the process used to come up with the Canadian Position.

(FWIW I concur with most/all of our position as outlined above so this discussion is strictly academic on my part)
 
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Nothing personal Sean.......but I am somewhat concerned with the word "I" when used above.
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No problem, I guess I wasn't clear enough - when I say "I" - am speaking for myself - explaining how I came to the conclusion, not how IPSC Canada did.

The IPSC Canada NEC has had these proposals for a month and had plenty of time to check with their boards, membership, etc. and provide feedback to the final decision. While my opinion might hold some weight to help theirs, their decision is final.
 
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Well I guess I should stop working on my 100 round drum magazine idea then...

Seriously; I don't know which thread on GV is being mentioned, as I can't find it. But one thing that still bugs me is the popper calibration rule.
 
Instead having mandatory reloads, I will go with fix numbers of bullets in the mag, same for everyone. This will make everyone more or less, reloading. Have it 10, 15, 18, but same.
When someone has a mag with 20 rounds in Standard and there is Medium COF with 19 rounds, he has an advantage over 16 rounds shooter.
 
PeterPan said:
Instead having mandatory reloads, I will go with fix numbers of bullets in the mag, same for everyone. This will make everyone more or less, reloading. Have it 10, 15, 18, but same.
When someone has a mag with 20 rounds in Standard and there is Medium COF with 19 rounds, he has an advantage over 16 rounds shooter.
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1. No one in IPSC could agree on the magic number.
2. Countries are VERY scared of mag limits in the rules because they are afraid that thier governments will enforce them.
IE. "You shoot IPSC, the rule book says 10 round mags, you don't need any more capacity - 10+ Banned!!"

The way they want to do it allows people to still play the "planning game".
IE If I have 19 rounds capacity, and you have 15 - on the long course; we both have to reload twice, but I have a little more flexibility as to where I'm going to do it than you. Our Gun choices still matter.

Of course this is irrelevant in Canada's context.;)
 
too me mandatory and freestyle don't go well together, if the stage is 18 rounds and I have 17+1 and want to risk a static "oh ####" reload rather then reload on the move I should have that option.
 
I would like to see the standard go to a gear anywhere rule like open has. A lot of shooters have invested a good chunk of time and money to get extra rounds in their mags, and now they are getting kicked in the nutz.
 
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I would like to see the standard go to a gear anywhere rule like open has. A lot of shooters have invested a good chunk of time and money to get extra rounds in their mags, and now they are getting kicked in the nutz.
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Gear anywhere would have been nice, but apparently the rules committee didn't think of it or discarded it.
No one in Canada is getting kicked in the nutz, we're still stuck with 10 round mags. However, we no longer have to worry about loosing using the mags that we use to shoot in USPSA, though - and trust me - it was coming.

Now, your primary large capacity shooting is in the USA - do you actually think any of this is going to effect them? Not a chance. USPSA will do as they want, regardless of IPSC. This will have little, if any effect on you.
 
Freedom Ventures said:
Now, your primary large capacity shooting is in the USA - do you actually think any of this is going to effect them? Not a chance. USPSA will do as they want, regardless of IPSC. This will have little, if any effect on you.
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And that's the main reason most of my shooting is now south of the red line on the map......:mad:
 
that doesn't make much sense Black, the rules won't make any difference to you in Canada either.
honestly if I had to pick over a mandated mag capacity or the mandatory reload rule, I'd go with the reload one. And frankly one of the two was going to get through.
 
PeterPan said:
Instead having mandatory reloads, I will go with fix numbers of bullets in the mag, same for everyone. This will make everyone more or less, reloading. Have it 10, 15, 18, but same.
When someone has a mag with 20 rounds in Standard and there is Medium COF with 19 rounds, he has an advantage over 16 rounds shooter.
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Can't agree with that one...biggest part of IPSC is skills (yes, plural.)

If you can do a magazine change smoothly & quickly between positions or on the move you will still outscore an incompetent shooter with a 23 round mag.

Used to get a kick out of beating people who couldn't shoot but bought better guns...the good old days.
 
love the Metric Target Hate the classic!!!!!!!
It gives more target presentations
It never has a Question is it upside down (for A zone area)
Should be made in smaller version and allowed to be mixed in stages
Doesn't pay a royalty to President of Ipsc
Why give anything up we need more target styles not less

supermag
 
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