ISSF and IPSC

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Wow............do I ever have a hate on for the ISSF folks.

Their treatment of IPSC is abominable.

To test them out I emailed them about Sport shooting in Canada and was told in NO uncertain terms that IPSC is not good.

Hell they even have declared that ISSF members cannot PARTICIPATE in IPSC events.

Just who do these characters think they are?
 
We won't win any fight at the world level, so we start at the local level first. If enough individual Provinces, States, and Countries members find themselves opposed to the world body mandate, the mandate might eventually change.
 
Too bad we all can't just accept each other and get along, we'd be a much stronger sport if we were united instead of divided.....even if ISSF has a bad attitude towards IPSC doesn't mean we should stoop to their level and start name tossing, doesn't do anything to eradicate the feelings towards each other
 
race1911 said:
Too bad we all can't just accept each other and get along, we'd be a much stronger sport if we were united instead of divided.....even if ISSF has a bad attitude towards IPSC doesn't mean we should stoop to their level and start name tossing, doesn't do anything to eradicate the feelings towards each other
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The way to do it is to EDUCATE the shooting public as to the OUTRAGEOUS attitudes their "leaders" have.

Then boot their arses out.

You do not do that playing nicey nice.
 
stormbringer said:
Wow............do I ever have a hate on for the ISSF folks.

Their treatment of IPSC is abominable.

To test them out I emailed them about Sport shooting in Canada and was told in NO uncertain terms that IPSC is not good.

Hell they even have declared that ISSF members cannot PARTICIPATE in IPSC events.

Just who do these characters think they are?
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Storm,

I don't know who you wrote to... but these folks should get a slap on the side of the head!!!

Don't they realize that the average IPSC event will draw 10 times the number of shooters then any ISSF event? (I should know, I've attend quite a few ISSF rifle and pistol match... with 5-10 guys on the firing line)

Sounds like these not so smart individuals are ready to "sacrifice" the IPSC shooters to the Liberal gun-hating god... thinking that will somehow protect them from harm :slap:

Pretty darn pathetic is you ask me... maybe you should post the full email correspondence (with address's)... I'm sure a few people would like to share their own personnal point of view with them
 
As always, it comes down to money & politics.

GAISF is the world body that defines who and what is a sport.
ISSF rules the firearms sports in the GAISF.

Therefore in European countries, ISSF gets sport funding. IPSC wanted recognition with the GAISF.
ISSF said "only under us" and you'll have to change a lot of things if you want in.
IPSC said "F-You" and made a direct run at the GAISF.
ISSF spread falsehoods about IPSC and campaigned within the GAISF to get IPSC refused.
IPSC keeps trying.

Why does IPSC want recognition? Like mentioned above - if recognized as a real "sport",
Many countries then devote sporting funds to the sport, and then there's Paul Martin.
Remember when he said he was going to ban handguns - except for legitimate sport shooters?
Guess who would have been legit had they been recognized in GAISF. ;)
 
I am very dissapointed with what the ISSF has told its members in regards to IPSC. You would think CSSA would talk to ISSF to set them straight (in Canada). I recieved my new CSSA membership,...it came with the book,.and other literature,...and although IPSC is mentioned a little,..I would be hesitant to get another membership if they only have articles about CAS,..ISSF,.etc.
It is not an IPSC book,..but I would expect a little more coverage of this very popular SPORT.
I guess what I am saying is I would have liked to see at least one article in regards to IPSC.
 
maurice said:
I am very dissapointed with what the ISSF has told its members in regards to IPSC. You would think CSSA would talk to ISSF to set them straight (in Canada). I recieved my new CSSA membership,...it came with the book,.and other literature,...and although IPSC is mentioned a little,..I would be hesitant to get another membership if they only have articles about CAS,..ISSF,.etc.
It is not an IPSC book,..but I would expect a little more coverage of this very popular SPORT.
I guess what I am saying is I would have liked to see at least one article in regards to IPSC.
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While the old OHA had thier hands in PPC and Bullseye, they were never opposed to or estranged from IPSC. The first Ontario Black Badge numbers actually had OHA as the preface, and it was the support of the OHA that assisted the sport in Ontario in it's early days. Since IPSC has it's own administration, there was no need for more than a loose friendship with the OHA after the formative years, but the IPSC Ontario match schedule used to be published in the magazine. That's continued with the CSSA.
 
thanks for the information. I like Bullseye,..silhouette,...airgun,.PPC,..and IPSC. I am not sure the involvement numbers,..but in my area and I believe in Atlantic Canada,..I have not seen any shooting sports as active other than IPSC. I see the others once in a while,.but on a much smaller and less active scale.
It is good that some matches for IPSC are posted in the magazine,..but just curious as to why no articles. Maybe readers can submit stories? I will have to email the magazine heads. I would like to see more coverage of IPSC in the future,...I see it as the evolution of handgun shooting,....

IT is not unlike how boxing,..wrestling and karate have evolved into UFC type sports,...I see PPC,.bullseye,...etc,,,evolving into IPSC...USPSA,..etc..
Just my observation,...not trying to be overly critical. I bought the membership with CSSA to support the legal battles they are fighting or will be fighting, not for the magazine.
 
maurice said:
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It is good that some matches for IPSC are posted in the magazine,..but just curious as to why no articles. Maybe readers can submit stories? I will have to email the magazine heads. I would like to see more coverage of IPSC in the future,...I see it as the evolution of handgun shooting,....

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I am 100% certain that if you write an article about IPSC shooting in Canada CSSA WILL PUBLISH IT!
 
stormbringer said:
I am 100% certain that if you write an article about IPSC shooting in Canada CSSA WILL PUBLISH IT!
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hmmmm.....there is so much going on,...I would not know where to start. :)

I think maybe a brief on the Nationals,....then in my area I could report on the NS and NB provincials that happened last month.


I think I will,...;),...
OK,..I commit to it. Jesus Christ,...what am I getting into...
I will try my best,..if they don\t like it,...at least I can say I tried.
 
Education and a positive, cohesive front are the keys in protecting all forms of our sport over the next few years. Going head to head with the ISSF and the SFC may not be serving our cause very well.

The Olympic committee recognizes GAISF as the definer of sports, and GAISF determined that there could be only one world body governing a sport. In the shooting world that is the ISSF. Done deal…not going to change…ever. IPSC in Europe were desperate fools trying to go around the ISSF. Personally I think the roots of the sports are to similar and it was doomed to failure.

There is very limited funding available for Olympic sporting events and it is very difficult getting events into the Olympics. I’m not really defending the ISSF, but I can well understand them not wanting to tackle the complications of adding a new form of shooting sport, particularly one that has such a recent history and, lets face it, is a mess organizationally.

That we have Olympic events for shooting are huge factors in our favor in the eyes of the non-shooting public. By the way they are the majority remember! We maybe shouldn’t be so quick to pick a fight with the organization that supports that part of our sport or be so adamant about trash talking them.

From the outside looking in, our political adversaries are going to see right wing martial artists vs. passive Olympic champions. Who do you think wins that battle in their eyes?

When we fight amongst ourselves the only winners are the ones who want to take our sport away. We can always work things out amongst ourselves over time if we still have a sport…nothing we can do it we don’t have a sport to talk about.
 
mdragon9 said:
The Olympic committee recognizes GAISF as the definer of sports, and GAISF determined that there could be only one world body governing a sport. In the shooting world that is the ISSF. Done deal…not going to change…ever. IPSC in Europe were desperate fools trying to go around the ISSF. Personally I think the roots of the sports are to similar and it was doomed to failure?
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ISSF Demanded changes to IPSC that inherently changed IPSC to Bullseye. IPSC Internationally properly told ISSF to P-O.
Please don't insinuate in the least that this was started by IPSC. It was started and is maintained by ISSF and their greedy leadership. Do you see IPSC publishing outright lies about the sport of ISU? No. Is IPSC trying to kill off ISSF? - No. Is IPSC telling our membership to not involve themselves with ISU competitions? No. ISSF are the antagonists.

Brass Tax: We frighten them. Our popularity has soared while theirs is at an all time low; we keep bringing new adults to our sport while they claw to convince kids to try it; loosing most of them to the distractions of teen life. Like the lieberals, they seek to destroy rather than understand or cooperate.

FWIW, IPSC Canada and CSSA have absolutely no issues. We've donated funds to them in the past, been involved with them in the 2006 election and as you can see by my writings in Diligentia, encourage membership in CSSA (& NFA). They support all forms of shooting, and we both recognize and support that. I'm sure we'll partner up in the future too. As for the Shooting Federation of Canada, IPSC Canada feels there's room for both of us. If there's a problem there - I'm not aware of it.
 
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