Just venting!

pharaoh2 said:
As far as I know, you have the right to retrieve a downed animal. If she made a stink, the fish cops should back you on that.
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I have a neighbour that won't let people recover deer from his property either because he has had enough of the city folks (i call them city-diots) shooting deer on a right of way and then trespassing on his property to recover. He punts them, recovers the deer after letting MNR know. MNR usually lets him keep them.

My read of the story is that the hunter was going to trespass to recover his deer. I kick trespassers off my property every chance I get as well. If they came to me first and said a wounded deer came on my property I would help them recover it. If they don't ask permission , I'll escort them off my land and let MNR know I have a deer they can have or I can take care of it.

I caught a guy hunting partridge on my front lawn last month, aiming towards my shed and woodpile, and he had already shot once. He scuttled back to his truck pretty damn fast when I yelled from the garage and came out wearing my skinning apron and carrying my skinning knife since I was processing beaver.

Perhaps the author should not shoot deer right next to the property line. Or ask for permission to recover next time. I can't condone letting a deer spoil but I can relate to the landowners fustration.
 
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wow!

I can't believe you left without your deer. i have been in the situation where a deer i shot ran onto posted land and i retrieved it immediately, i did not ask for permission to access as i had no idea who posted the land and the law states i have a responsibility to retrieve the animal. if someone gets pissy let em phone the police, heck i'd give em my phone number 'cause there is no way they could get a charge of the trespass to stick. on top of that she has no right to consider the deer hers if it was on the property, as the deer belongs to the crown.
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blargon said:
I'd take the trespassing fine, and retrieve the deer. Good chance the police won't even show up. Last I heard the fine was around $28.
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Not quite, here is just one example from the OCOA (Ont COnservation Officer Association) website.




March 24, 2005

TRESPASSING TO SHOOT DEER PROVES COSTLY

CAMPBELLFORD - A hunter who shot a deer on private property and then asked the landowner to open a gate so he could take the deer out has been fined $750.

James Langford, 60, of RR 2, Norwood, pleaded guilty to trespassing on land in Trent Hills on November 13 last year.

Court heard Langford stopped his truck after seeing a male white-tailed deer jump a fence onto private property. He grabbed his shotgun, climbed the fence and shot the buck.

Langford then sought out the landowner and asked for a gate to be unlocked so he could remove the deer.

Justice of the Peace A. Forestall heard the case at the Ontario Court of Justice in Campbellford on March 24.

The public is asked to protect its natural resources by reporting violations to the local ministry office or anonymously to Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-TIPS (8477).
 
First we have:

Then she promptly kicked us off her property and left the deer there to rott!
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Then we have:

I have a neighbour that won't let people recover deer from his property either because he has had enough of the city folks (i call them city-diots) shooting deer on a right of way and then trespassing on his property to recover. He punts them, recovers the deer after letting MNR know. MNR usually lets him keep them.
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And:

I kick trespassers off my property every chance I get as well. If they came to me first and said a wounded deer came on my property I would help them recover it. If they don't ask permission , I'll escort them off my land and let MNR know I have a deer they can have or I can take care of it.
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The first case is different than the other two in that in the first case ,the deer is left to rot which is in violation of the law.In the other cases the deer are salvaged which does not violate any laws.How can a C.O. allow someone to violate the law by allowing the deer to rot?
 
Kenny_G2 said:
Not quite, here is just one example from the OCOA (Ont COnservation Officer Association) website.
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Yeah, I just read that, and another case where they were charged $500. Bad idea.

Note to OP: Next time kill the deer and drag it back over before the old hag shows up...
 
blargon said:
Yeah, I just read that, and another case where they were charged $500. Bad idea.

Note to OP: Next time kill the deer and drag it back over before the old hag shows up...
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Even if you dragged it back and she arrived a few minutes later I think there would be enough physical evidence on her property for a conviction. The onus is on the hunter to either harvest the animal on the property for which they have permission or go and ask for permission.
 
http://fishingboard.thunderbayfishing.com/index.php?showtopic=2772

Two North Carolina men have been fined $1,000 for trespassing on private property to hunt deer.

A man from Wilkesboro, and a man from Piney Creek, were fined $500 each after pleading guilty under the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act. They forfeited the remains of the deer to the Crown.

On October 27, 2007, the two men went onto private property in Kirkup Township that was clearly marked with “no hunting” signs. They shot a deer and removed it even when a neighbour confronted them and told them they weren’t allowed to hunt there. A Ministry of Natural Resources Kenora District conservation officer talked with the men who said they thought the property that was under hydro lines, was public and open to legal hunting.

The case was heard in Ontario Court of Justice, Kenora on February 28, 2008.
 
blargon said:
You think there are no anti-hunting, anti-gun morons in your area. Right.:rolleyes:
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Most definitely there is, but I am sure we can agree there is less of them. Most Anti-Hunting people around here I have met are because of trespassers on there property. Honestly I am yet to meet anyone that is actively anti-gun. All in all this landowner is within her legal rights from the sounds of it (as long as meat was not wasted). But morally I do not agree with her actions...

Btich

I think most Hunters have a strong moral obligation to not waste meat and hunt ethically with the least amount of suffering possible. No one wants to lose an animal, or even have one potentially rotting.
 
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Did you go back later to see if the deer is still there? You cannot tresspass to recover a deer. Sh$t happens, a shot animal sometimes runs the wrong way for a long distance and this can happen to anyone. Were you close to her home why did she hear and arrive when you shot the deer? I would of offered to gut the animal and help drag it for her so it would not rot? I bet the deer is in her freezer? We have the landowner like this in our area also, but he grows strange weeds on his property so I have been told????
 
The cases quoted are distinguishable - the hunter and the deer were both on property where the hunter did not have permission to be when the shot was made.

Bigbones shot when neither he nor the deer were on the other person's land. Would expect CO & Law to take a completely different look at the situation (intent to harvest on private land, no intent to harvest on private land... fundamentally different).
 
call the mnr tell them she has an untagged doe she shot on her property :)

if people want to be pricks i can think of lots of ways to be prickish back to them :)
 
Once again being a minority (hunters) and loathed by so many nature freaks and gun haters the law is probably gonna take the popular side. Also allowing you to trespass and recover the deer might be the right thing to do but it sets a precident for the next #### to trespass for no valid reason and fall back on a BS story about looking for a wounded animal every time they wish to go where they want.Eventually there is no "Private Property" that way. For what it's worth the lady should have been accomodating under the circumstances but nothing says she has to.
 
This is disgusting. I would be calling MNR and asking to speak to more than just a lackey.

She has broken the law either by allowing an animal to spoil or to have harvested an animal without a tag. (assuming she doesn't have one) I also thought there was a law on the books that allowed a CO to retrieve the animal in cases like this.

CO's in Ontario have tremendous powers of search and seizure. They have every right to knock on her door to demand answers.
 
Thank you all for the support... We called the mnr and reported her but her uncle came and tagged it and took it.. Better luck next time i guess...




Now to clarify this comment!


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Originally Posted by pharaoh2 View Post
As far as I know, you have the right to retrieve a downed animal. If she made a stink, the fish cops should back you on that.
I have a neighbour that won't let people recover deer from his property either because he has had enough of the city folks (i call them city-diots) shooting deer on a right of way and then trespassing on his property to recover. He punts them, recovers the deer after letting MNR know. MNR usually lets him keep them.


Kenny_G2
My read of the story is that the hunter was going to trespass to recover his deer. I kick trespassers off my property every chance I get as well. If they came to me first and said a wounded deer came on my property I would help them recover it. If they don't ask permission , I'll escort them off my land and let MNR know I have a deer they can have or I can take care of it.

I caught a guy hunting partridge on my front lawn last month, aiming towards my shed and woodpile, and he had already shot once. He scuttled back to his truck pretty damn fast when I yelled from the garage and came out wearing my skinning apron and carrying my skinning knife since I was processing beaver.

Perhaps the author should not shoot deer right next to the property line. Or ask for permission to recover next time. I can't condone letting a deer spoil but I can relate to the landowners fustration.
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I had absolute full intentions of asking for permission to go and get the deer... Never would i have delt with this otherwise... Your supposed read of the story is way off and where you got i was going to illegal trespass to get it is beyond me.. I feel you should read more thouroughly before condeming a man on a made up story you have thought up yourself! I also dont condone tresspasing and for you to insinuate i was going to is absurd... The only time i entered her property was with her to finish it off... I woulda have asked and fully intended to but the ##### was there within 2 minutes of the rifle discharge!! Thanks for the insinuations into my situation!
 
Bigbones139 said:
I had absolute full intentions of asking for permission to go and get the deer... Never would i have delt with this otherwise... Your supposed read of the story is way off and where you got i was going to illegal trespass to get it is beyond me.. I feel you should read more thouroughly before condeming a man on a made up story you have thought up yourself! I also dont condone tresspasing and for you to insinuate i was going to is absurd... The only time i entered her property was with her to finish it off... I woulda have asked and fully intended to but the ##### was there within 2 minutes of the rifle discharge!! Thanks for the insinuations into my situation!
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From your story it sounds to me that you were standing around smoking rather than going to her house to ask permission. If you had been making an obvious effort to go and ask permission right away perhaps she would have said yes.

Glad the deer wasn't wasted so perhaps she isn't such a ##### as many here claim she is, you certainly like to thow that word around a lot, even when she obviously took care of the deer in a responsible manner (not letting it rot). Sounds like she is just like most rural property owners and has to deal with people going on her property without permission.
 
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