- Location
- Port Perry/Toronto
Ok, I've decided to make a thread about the question asked about 3 times per week on this board...
I'm missing some information... let me know if you know anything about the question marks or of missing/wrong information. Let’s try and keep this thing short, simple and fairly neutral.
NON RESTRICTED BLACK RIFLES
Armalite AR-180B
Cost: $1300+
Caliber: .223
Availability: Discontinued
Criticism: Expensive aftermarket parts
Berretta CX4 Storm
Cost: $800-1000 + $350-400 for rebarreling
Caliber: 9mm Luger
Availability: Standard as a restricted firearm, but can be rebarreled to non-restricted classification. Should be pretty easy to find a new or used one. A dealer or gunsmith would have to do the rebarreling, so finding someone reliable and with the parts may be a challenge, but it has been done before.
Criticism: Permanent iron sights.
HK SL8
Cost: $2000
Caliber: .223
Availability: They seem to be widely available.
Criticism: There was some reports of receiver cracking, which some believe could be caused by dry firing. This is not an ongoing issue, and it is widely believed to have been corrected by HK.
IWI Tavor
Cost: $3000
Caliber: .223
Availability: One shipment made. A new shipment is rumoured. ETA unknown.
Criticism: Cost and mandatory optics. Most would prefer a rail to the less than stellar Mepro sight.
Robinson Arms M96
Cost: $2400+
Caliber: .223
Availability: Pretty hard to find in Canada. Out of production.
Criticism:????
Robinson Arms XCR
Cost: $2000
Caliber: .223
Availability: Few have made it into Canada so far, and they are difficult to find new right now. A used one might pop up once in a while.
Criticism: There was some reports of small reliability issues.
Swiss Arms: Black Special, Black Special Target, Classic Green, Blue Star, etc.
Cost: $2800-3000
Caliber: .223
Availability: The Swiss Arms rifles are delivered to the supplier by non scheduled and random shipments. Getting the one you want may be difficult depending on the model and when the last shipment was. Used ones are easy to find.
Criticism: Cost
REDISH-BLACK NON-RESTRICTED RIFLES
brown?
CZ 858
Cost: $650
Caliber: 7.62X39
Availability: Widely available and often viewed as a great entry black rifle
Criticism: Aesthetics
Type 97
Cost: $850
Caliber: .223
Availability: ??????
Criticism: Made in China. Aesthetics.
Mini-14
Cost: $700-1150
Caliber: .223
Availability: Widely availible
Criticism: Water guns are more accurate. The target model is ok.
M305 AKA Norinco M-14
Cost: $450 and up
Caliber: .308
Availability: Discontinued. The M305's were assembled from spare parts. The parts were all used up. Many in country however, so a used one should be easy to find.
Criticism: Parts can be out of spec. Banana wood stock does not hold out too well for repeat firing.
UNOBTAINIUM
G36 (semi only)
Cost: $8000-10,000
Caliber: .223
Availability: Good luck
Comments: Officially HK does not sell military/law eenforecement firearms to civilians. Some of those firearms are manufactured in semi-auto only configuration and somehow made it into civilian hands in Canada. Perfectly legal, just HK would not be happy.
Walther WA2000
Cost: USA open market: $80,000. $30,000 if you know where to look in Europe.
Caliber: .308, 7.5x55, 300 Win Mag
Availability: Discontinued in 1988
Comments: Only 176 were ever made.
Swiss Arms Sniper
Cost: $7500 when they were available...
Caliber: .223
Availability: rarer than hen's teeth
Comments: 7 were imported into Canada (sans the parker hale bi-pod pictured). Out of production. Owners seem to be holding onto them.
SIG 540/542
Cost: ????
Caliber: .223, .308
Availability: Still in production by FAMAE, but civilian sales are restricted. Very rare in Canada
Comments: High production costs and low sales lead to a re-design, known as the SG 550.
Holloway Arms HAC-7
Cost: ????
Caliber: .308
Availability: 350 ever produced.
Comments: Incredibly rare in Canada, but can be had for $2500+ in the US. Not sure if they they are approved for export.
Valmet M78
Cost: $4000+
Caliber: 7.62x39, .223, .308
Availability: Findable, but very rare.
Comments: Very sought after
I'm missing some information... let me know if you know anything about the question marks or of missing/wrong information. Let’s try and keep this thing short, simple and fairly neutral.
NON RESTRICTED BLACK RIFLES
Armalite AR-180B
Cost: $1300+
Caliber: .223
Availability: Discontinued
Criticism: Expensive aftermarket parts
Berretta CX4 Storm
Cost: $800-1000 + $350-400 for rebarreling
Caliber: 9mm Luger
Availability: Standard as a restricted firearm, but can be rebarreled to non-restricted classification. Should be pretty easy to find a new or used one. A dealer or gunsmith would have to do the rebarreling, so finding someone reliable and with the parts may be a challenge, but it has been done before.
Criticism: Permanent iron sights.
HK SL8
Cost: $2000
Caliber: .223
Availability: They seem to be widely available.
Criticism: There was some reports of receiver cracking, which some believe could be caused by dry firing. This is not an ongoing issue, and it is widely believed to have been corrected by HK.
IWI Tavor
Cost: $3000
Caliber: .223
Availability: One shipment made. A new shipment is rumoured. ETA unknown.
Criticism: Cost and mandatory optics. Most would prefer a rail to the less than stellar Mepro sight.
Robinson Arms M96
Cost: $2400+
Caliber: .223
Availability: Pretty hard to find in Canada. Out of production.
Criticism:????
Robinson Arms XCR
Cost: $2000
Caliber: .223
Availability: Few have made it into Canada so far, and they are difficult to find new right now. A used one might pop up once in a while.
Criticism: There was some reports of small reliability issues.
Swiss Arms: Black Special, Black Special Target, Classic Green, Blue Star, etc.
Cost: $2800-3000
Caliber: .223
Availability: The Swiss Arms rifles are delivered to the supplier by non scheduled and random shipments. Getting the one you want may be difficult depending on the model and when the last shipment was. Used ones are easy to find.
Criticism: Cost
REDISH-BLACK NON-RESTRICTED RIFLES
brown?
CZ 858
Cost: $650
Caliber: 7.62X39
Availability: Widely available and often viewed as a great entry black rifle
Criticism: Aesthetics
Type 97
Cost: $850
Caliber: .223
Availability: ??????
Criticism: Made in China. Aesthetics.
Mini-14
Cost: $700-1150
Caliber: .223
Availability: Widely availible
Criticism: Water guns are more accurate. The target model is ok.
M305 AKA Norinco M-14
Cost: $450 and up
Caliber: .308
Availability: Discontinued. The M305's were assembled from spare parts. The parts were all used up. Many in country however, so a used one should be easy to find.
Criticism: Parts can be out of spec. Banana wood stock does not hold out too well for repeat firing.
UNOBTAINIUM
G36 (semi only)
Cost: $8000-10,000
Caliber: .223
Availability: Good luck
Comments: Officially HK does not sell military/law eenforecement firearms to civilians. Some of those firearms are manufactured in semi-auto only configuration and somehow made it into civilian hands in Canada. Perfectly legal, just HK would not be happy.
Walther WA2000
Cost: USA open market: $80,000. $30,000 if you know where to look in Europe.
Caliber: .308, 7.5x55, 300 Win Mag
Availability: Discontinued in 1988
Comments: Only 176 were ever made.
Swiss Arms Sniper
Cost: $7500 when they were available...
Caliber: .223
Availability: rarer than hen's teeth
Comments: 7 were imported into Canada (sans the parker hale bi-pod pictured). Out of production. Owners seem to be holding onto them.
SIG 540/542
Cost: ????
Caliber: .223, .308
Availability: Still in production by FAMAE, but civilian sales are restricted. Very rare in Canada
Comments: High production costs and low sales lead to a re-design, known as the SG 550.
Holloway Arms HAC-7
Cost: ????
Caliber: .308
Availability: 350 ever produced.
Comments: Incredibly rare in Canada, but can be had for $2500+ in the US. Not sure if they they are approved for export.
Valmet M78
Cost: $4000+
Caliber: 7.62x39, .223, .308
Availability: Findable, but very rare.
Comments: Very sought after
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