Is the Tikka T3 the new Remington 700?

mackillan said:
The 700 is not a smooth slick machine. We used to call Jap cars Jap cans. GM is dying. The 700 just isnt a fine tuned machine. It is a solid platform for a custom gun. Nuttin else special about it at all. As for cheap plastic shiiit stocks there is nuttin special about a sps stock. Its cheap plastic crappola.When comparing a Sako to a 700 it really becomes a laughable comparison.
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I was going to stay out of this one but the whole issue of gun snobbery is starting to come up again. What exactly is the difference between a Sako synthetic and an SPS synthetic? Really? Both are composite stocks. Both secure a barreled action and allow regular handling and firing. One looks nicer, but their both 'plastic', cold and artificial. Every Remington I've ever shot has been accurate. The only Tikka I've ever owned was also accurate. But unless were talking a high end aftermarket stock with maybe a bedding block, a stock of equal dimensions is still a plastic stock. Personally I find Remington stocks more comfortable than a Sako stock. And I can promise that neither one will outshoot the other. Not enough that a deer will notice anyways. I'll tell you somthing to think about, some of the best shots I've ever seen didn't give a hoot about group size.

And I think GM might have a surprise for you. ;)
 
mackillan said:
The 700 is not a smooth slick machine. We used to call Jap cars Jap cans. GM is dying. The 700 just isnt a fine tuned machine. It is a solid platform for a custom gun. Nuttin else special about it at all. As for cheap plastic shiiit stocks there is nuttin special about a sps stock. Its cheap plastic crappola.When comparing a Sako to a 700 it really becomes a laughable comparison.
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The action on the M700 300 Ultra I just sold to a buddy was as smooth as any Tikka I have owned...
 
Calum said:
No need to buy Aftermarket for a Tikka, as it is made to shoot well right out of the box. :)
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Never said that they didn't shoot well, or that aftermarket parts were required. Only that it would be nice to be able to buy an alloy triggerguard and bolt shroud, for those who don't like the look, feel, or reliability of the plastic ones, even if its just a cosmetic annoyance.

I'm not slagging the T3. They shoot well, are light, and smooth. Just that for $1000 I like to have some metal, and it doesn't have to be Ti either. Its not like its un-doable. There are all kinds of rifles at the same price or cheaper that don't have plastic shrouds or guards. I can even live with the mag as is, and Robertson is making stocks for them now...
 
blargon said:
Never said that they didn't shoot well, or that aftermarket parts were required. Only that it would be nice to be able to buy an alloy triggerguard and bolt shroud, for those who don't like the look, feel, or reliability of the plastic ones, even if its just a cosmetic annoyance.

I'm not slagging the T3. They shoot well, are light, and smooth. Just that for $1000 I like to have some metal, and it doesn't have to be Ti either. Its not like its un-doable. There are all kinds of rifles at the same price or cheaper that don't have plastic shrouds or guards. I can even live with the mag as is, and Robertson is making stocks for them now...
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Then it's likely a good thing that you sold yours....can we move on now? :rolleyes:
 
I hope the Tikka isn't the new Remington 700, since the only Tikkas I have used were precision instruments and every Remington 700 that was built in the last 15 years or so that I have handled was plagued with problems - sticky bolt stop, crappy rough trigger, cockeyed sights, warped barrel channels, and offset scope mount holes. You couldn't pay me to own another Remington 700. I am so very disappointed with them! But Tikkas, so far, have delivered as expected to everyone I know that has one. I looked in my gun cabinet, and realized I no longer own any bolt action made in USA, only Europe. Call me a snob, but I appreciate FUNCTIONAL quality. Sako, Brno, Anschtutz et al, for me please.
 
When comparing a Sako to a 700 it really becomes a laughable comparison.[/QUOTE]

Yeah its pretty funny....especially when the Remington is a better shooter than the much more expensive Sako....:D
 
I've owned a few Rem 700. all shot under 1" @ 100m. never had any fuctional problems with any of them. nothing ever broke on any of them

I like my Sako, but it's a typical euro gun. heavier then it should be, over built, to many little "do dads". goofy (and expensive) ring mount system. very very very disapointed in the "synthetic" (plastic) stock on a $1500 rifle.

my rem model 7 and my former BDL have the smoothest actions I have ever felt. I had clients this year show up with $3500 custom Sauer 92s that were oooo'ing and fondling my M7.

as for euro gun snobs, one of the other guides I work with has a T3 .300wsm and the same clients never stopped making fun of his plastic gun :)

I don't quite understand where all the rem bashing comes from. Rem 7/700 = plain, simple, bombproof action.
 
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European Quality

Longwalker said:
I hope the Tikka isn't the new Remington 700, since the only Tikkas I have used were precision instruments and every Remington 700 that was built in the last 15 years or so that I have handled was plagued with problems - sticky bolt stop, crappy rough trigger, cockeyed sights, warped barrel channels, and offset scope mount holes. You couldn't pay me to own another Remington 700. I am so very disappointed with them! But Tikkas, so far, have delivered as expected to everyone I know that has one. I looked in my gun cabinet, and realized I no longer own any bolt action made in USA, only Europe. Call me a snob, but I appreciate FUNCTIONAL quality. Sako, Brno, Anschtutz et al, for me please.
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I agree 100% Long on your evaluation,an older Sako for $900.00 has much more appeal to me than a $600.00 Remington. FS
 
Remington did of course. They were the first company to offer a brand new rifle to introduce those who could otherwise not afford their own rifle to get into the sport. We're a dying breed you know. Anyway to get new shooters into the sport is a good thing to me. :)
 
pharaoh2 said:
Remington did of course. They were the first company to offer a brand new rifle to introduce those who could otherwise not afford their own rifle to get into the sport. We're a dying breed you know. Anyway to get new shooters into the sport is a good thing to me. :)
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Interesting statement,
Whilst I agree that getting new shooters into the sport is a vital accomplishment, providing them with a rifle which is the firearm equivalent of a Trabant is simply not the answer. Poorly constructed rifles will turn off a new participant to our sport just as surely as anything.
Anytime someone asks which rifle I would suggest for a new hunter or shooter, depending on their budget I usually point them in the direction of a Stevens 200.
This is the business Savage have been in for the last 50 years, providing inexpensive, reliable, accurate rifles to the sporting public. Remington were trying with the 710 and the 770 to get a piece of Savage's action, at which they failed miserably. It is no coincidence that Savage overtook Remington as the largest civilian riflemaker in America last year.
Tack
 
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SuperCub said:
Which is ironic, cuz Remington had the successful 788 and canned it.
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And Remington has been known for their awesome business decision making since, when, exactly? :)


A Tikka is what it is - a relatively affordable rifle that does everything your typical hunter wants it to do, right out of the box, no muss, no fuss. The trigger is great, the bolt is smooth, the accuracy is (usually) superb, the weight is comfortably light, and so-on. All that doesn't make it the greatest gun ever made, not hardly, but it does make it a gun that your average non-gun-nut guy doesn't see any need to monkey with. He buys it. He takes it hunting. It kills what he shoots with it. He's happy with it.


A Remington 700, on the other hand, is what it is. It's a gun-junkies gun. The Rem 700 is one of the premier bolt action platforms for guys who love tinkering with guns to tinker on. That's in part because of it's use in the military/le community, and in part because it left enough to be desired in out-of-the-box form that gun junkies immediately wanted to improve them. That doesn't make it better, or worse, than a Tikka, that makes a different kind of animal altogether.

So I guess what I'm getting at is, no, I don't think a Tikka and a Rem 700 are even in the same game as each other, so no, I don't expect the Tikka is the 'new 700'. Rem 700 guys aren't going to migrate to Tikka's in significant numbers, and likewise, Tikka buyers aren't going to migrate to the 700. Two different markets, and probably always will be.


The Savage on the other hand - now there's a good strong candidate for the "new 700".

:)
 
blargon said:
Never said they didn't shoot, all mine were sub-moa shooters. Just that some guys don't like all the plastic. They will never outsell the 700.
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Er, I haven't looked at the numbers, but I would suspect that there are many manufacturers that are now outselling the 700, and Tikka could be one of them. I suspect that there is a reason that everybody, and their dog is getting into the bolt action market in the last few years, and it's not simply due to the Winchester model 70 being off of the market for a few years. Remington appears to be a sinking boat, with many indicators very obvious over the last 5 years. If you look at the 2009 catalog, there is no longer ANY of the imported stuff, that's an indication that there is some massive restructuring going on.
I'll go back to my original comment (page one this thread) and suggest that the Stevens 200 may be the action that picks up where the 700 leaves off, but the T3, in my opinion, is one heck of a well designed/built rifle.
Mike
 
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Tack said:
This is the business Savage have been in for the last 50 years, providing inexpensive, reliable, accurate rifles to the sporting public. Remington were trying with the 710 and the 770 to get a piece of Savage's action, at which they failed miserably. It is no coincidence that Savage overtook Remington as the largest civilian riflemaker in America last year.
Tack
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But...

Remington brought out the 710 years before Savage introduced their 200. Truth be told, Savage was hoping to cash in on Remington's rifle.

And also guys on here do not like the 710. It's not on par with what a gun nut considers to be a true rifle. But those who shoot them, and there are thousands who do, kill their deer every year. :)
 
Truth be told, Savage was hoping to cash in on Remington's rifle.
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Huh? The world does not revolve around Remington and their marketing decisions. They are far from being a driving force in the market place. Believe it or not, companies make new model and marketing decisions indepentant of what Remington is bringing to the market place. Nothing wrong with Remington but the gun world does not revolve around them and their share of the marketplace has diminished greatly in the past few decades. Being an Ameerican company is no loner enough......Dodge, GM and Ford are learning this and I suspect the A,merican gun companies are too.
 
No the World does not revolve around them, but like it or not they are the biggest NA firearms manufacturer. And do you deny that the 710 was introduced before the grey stocked, entry level Savage rifle? Is that a coincidence perhaps? Did Savage unveil a brand new rifle that they just created to offer us the 200? Or did they see a good thing when Rem offered an entry level rifle to budget minded consumers? :rolleyes:
 
The way they are shutting plants down, they may not hold that title for long but their forray into handguns may prop up sales a bit but I guessing they wish they'd have done that a year earlier and taken advantage of the pre Obama buying spree the American public went on. Guess if they were really such a leader they'd have seen that coming and not been Johnny come lately to the handgun market.....

I'm not anti Remington at all and have used and owned a few over the years but the way some go on about them, you'd think they were the second coming. The way their sales are sliding, they may be the second going...

I hope not but they do need to pull up their socks.
 
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Calum said:
BTW once my Volvos oil pan bolt got knocked out by a large rock on a logging road resulting in an piston seizing, and I managed to limp several KM to a repair shop on the starter motor alone without any ill effects on the starter motor or the car which was up and running within a day or so. Try that with a GM or Chevy. :D
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Im gonna go ahead a call BS on this one. The starter is connected directly to the flywheel, which is fixed to the crank, which is fixed to the pistons. So if the piston(s) are seized your cannot move the crank. If the crank doesnt move then the starter doesnt move either. Seized pistons usually = new engine. I guess the mechanic could have had a replacement engine sitting in his shop.

As far as will the Tikka be the next 700. If anyone has a shot at that title it is probably the model 200 as stated before.

Personally Id like one of each. They are both on my wishlist. A T3 hunter in 6.5swede and a Rem 700 BDL or CDL.(havent decided on a cal for that one)

Id like to pose a question though. I perpetually see threads here devoted to this brand being crap or that brands low quality, etc... Does anyone have one shred of objectively & methodically collected data to support those statements? Everything that I have found here is purely annecdotal.
 
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