S&w m&p15

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Seems like these guns have finally hit the Canadian market. Ellwood Epps has a bunch of them listed in stock, selling for $1440. From their website:


16" CHROME LINED BBL WITH 1-9" TWIST, FLAT TOP BLACK ANODIZED FINISHED ALLOY REC'R, REMOVABLE CARRY HANDLE, DETACHABLE MAG, SYN FIXED & TELESCOPIC REAR STOCKS, M4 HAND GUARD, ADJ APETURE SIGHT, FORWARD ASSIST, SLING SWIVELS​


Are these guns supposed to be any good?
 
Just read the report in Book of the AR-15 magazine from Guns and Ammo by Doug Larson.

These rifles apparently carry the same fine workmanship as the S & W line of handguns.
The author used his as issued during a 3 day invitational shoot and was extremely pleased with the functionability and accuracy. Out of the box battle sights were capable of producing hits at 200yards without adjustment on an 8" gong.
Of 40 guns shot over the 3 day event there were only one or two malfunctions attributed to magazine issues. Scoped with an Leupold Mk4 1.5-5X20 MRT scope and using 5 types of loads. the author was acheiving sob MOA groups at 100yds , the best avg was 1.09".

Quote " Reliability and accuracy in a lightweight tactical carbine are quite a combination, and this gun has it. Smith and wesson is building some very good AR-style guns.-" Doug Larson
 
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I've heard good things about them, I also heard that they contracted out a major AR player to do all the builds. I don't have any facts on that, just remembered hearing that stag or dpms or bushmaster were making the recievers and uppers etc.

The reviews I have read show that they are a really good AR.
 
I've heard good things about them, I also heard that they contracted out a major AR player to do all the builds. I don't have any facts on that, just remembered hearing that stag or dpms or bushmaster were making the recievers and uppers etc.

The reviews I have read show that they are a really good AR.

Smith & Wesson makes all their own parts now, and that also includes their own barrels - they are a great product comparable to many of the top tier makers.

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I just ordered one yesterday from one of our CGN sponsors (Frontier). I did some research and ended up having to choose between the S+W and a Stag. Stag were all out of stock at ArmsEast and (partly because I am lacking the patience to wait) I therefore went with the S+W. I had looked at the Imperial Defence and found that while the the fit and finish would have been totally acceptable on, say, a Norinko I thought it was unsatisfactory on a rifle of this price. I also checked out Bushmaster and liked them but, like Stag, I found no stock available ( I try to limit myself to CGN sponsors so I didn't do a lot of searching ). I did consider the EE but found prices high ( lots of extras I guess ) and I am a bit shy about the whole "xy Upper zz Lower, put it together myself" thing that more knowledgeable users would no doubt jump at.

An interesting note re pricing - the S+W retails here in Canada for very close ( after currency conversion ) to US MSRP whereas the Stag is priced at a significant markup to US MSRP. I draw no conclusions from this but it is, to me, at least an interesting observation.

I am very, very far from being an AR expert as my experience with this type of rifle is limited to the use of a Vietnam-era one some 25+ years ago in basic training and taking the odd shot or three through those rifles owned by fellow shooters at ranges over the past few years but I will post an "initial observations" review and a range report ( accuracy, feeding etc ) after the rifle arrives and I have a chance to take it to the range.
 
Not that anyone cares, but the M&P15i has a 17" barrel chambered in .223 rather than 5.56mm.

That's according to the S&W catalogue I perused last night.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/...selected=tech&isFirearm=Y&parent_category_rn=

http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson/upload/other/ps/811010.pdf
Interesting. I didn't realize that the "i" model had different specs. The regular M&P has a 16" barrel and is chambered in 5.56:

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=11101&langId=-1&productId=44930&tabselected=tech&isFirearm=Y&parent_category_rn=33803
 
The only problem I haveseen with the M&P's are the fact the barrel looks like a target gun because it has no muzzle brake. Also I looked at one at frontier and it is very ovious that the upper and lower are made on completely different production lines. The coating colors are not even close to matching.
 
Interesting stuff. What kind of work would be req'd to turn this into svc rifle (e.g. 5.56 chamber, barrel change/thread ream barrel, telescope stock)? Would it still be worth it for a 1 year warranty?
 
Looked at one at Epps the other day. Price jacked to $1699 from $1440. Didn't really get a reasonable explanation regarding the increase but there was only one left.

Overall I think it is a very well made AR version, I would consider one but not at $1699. Considering that one would need some smithin to add an A2 muzzle brake, rechamber for 5.56, add the telescoping stock, flip up sights etc, I think an out of the box Armalite or RRA would be a better choice...
 
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Interesting stuff. What kind of work would be req'd to turn this into svc rifle (e.g. 5.56 chamber, barrel change/thread ream barrel, telescope stock)? Would it still be worth it for a 1 year warranty?

I'm pretty sure the chamber specification is already 5.56mm NATO dimension and stock is telescopic.
 
I can't for the life of me figure out why these manufacturers don't just switch to the Wylde chamber, works with both and works better than the dedicated chamber(s). It would probably be cheaper too.
 
I can't for the life of me figure out why these manufacturers don't just switch to the Wylde chamber, works with both and works better than the dedicated chamber(s). It would probably be cheaper too.

What makes you think they actually have different chamber dimensions? I am willing to bet that S&W just roll stamps them differently.
 
Basically a neutered AR. Thanks to the state department that is all we can get.

No threaded barrels / collapsible stocks / .223 chamber. Easily remedied but costs extra $$

Thread the barrel / get a collapsible stock - buffer tube and small parts / ream the chamber with 5.56 reamer.
 
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