AR15 trigger for service rifle
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NavyShooter
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What's wrong with the one it came with?
NS
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Save your money! Use the factory trigger, smooth it down and then grease it! It seems all the other aftermarket triggers out there MAY not pass the 2.5 kg trigger weight test at CFSAC/ NSCC testing procedures!!
Personally, I've won many DCRA gold medals with the factory trigger, just greased up similar to my M14 trigger lubrication techniques seen in my M14 clinics!
Now, here's the voice of authority....I witnessed a civilian shooter whose COLT HBar trigger passed the NSCC/CFSAC trigger testers while he had his score cards signed off near the ammo truck way back in July1999.
Life was good until he shot a 50-?V score. Match procedure tells us that we are escorted to the central trigger weigh station and the Firing Point Officer witnesses your trigger suspending the necessary 2.5kg mass. His trigger FAILED and his scores were disallowed!
This procedure has happened to me a few times, and yes... at the national level!
Back to the story... He was pissed. WTF went wrong ? WTF could have gone screwy?
His trigger barely held the weight BEFORE that match. AFTER that match, the lubrication and other unseen variables worked to disable his trigger's ability to hold up that 2.5 kg test mass. YES, he did tell me that his trigger WAS lightened! Enough to pass the test when the rifle was COLD! Who would have thought about that trigger failing when the rifle heated up?
You can jump on me and flame me all you would like, but I was ONE of a very FEW civvies THERE! And that's the voice of the shxt sandwich!!
I compete with a factory trigger! Nothing fancy! If you ain't convinced, then some Queen's Medal winners (and CF Bisley shooters) reading this can/better back me up, 'cause their C7A1/2 triggers ain't lightened!!
Peace out!
Personally, I've won many DCRA gold medals with the factory trigger, just greased up similar to my M14 trigger lubrication techniques seen in my M14 clinics!
Now, here's the voice of authority....I witnessed a civilian shooter whose COLT HBar trigger passed the NSCC/CFSAC trigger testers while he had his score cards signed off near the ammo truck way back in July1999.
Life was good until he shot a 50-?V score. Match procedure tells us that we are escorted to the central trigger weigh station and the Firing Point Officer witnesses your trigger suspending the necessary 2.5kg mass. His trigger FAILED and his scores were disallowed! This procedure has happened to me a few times, and yes... at the national level!
Back to the story... He was pissed. WTF went wrong ? WTF could have gone screwy?
His trigger barely held the weight BEFORE that match. AFTER that match, the lubrication and other unseen variables worked to disable his trigger's ability to hold up that 2.5 kg test mass. YES, he did tell me that his trigger WAS lightened! Enough to pass the test when the rifle was COLD! Who would have thought about that trigger failing when the rifle heated up?
You can jump on me and flame me all you would like, but I was ONE of a very FEW civvies THERE! And that's the voice of the shxt sandwich!!
I compete with a factory trigger! Nothing fancy! If you ain't convinced, then some Queen's Medal winners (and CF Bisley shooters) reading this can/better back me up, 'cause their C7A1/2 triggers ain't lightened!!
Peace out!
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Save your money! Use the factory trigger, smooth it down and then grease it! It seems all the other aftermarket triggers out there MAY not pass the 2.5 kg trigger weight test at CFSAC/ NSCC testing procedures!!
Personally, I've won many DCRA gold medals with the factory trigger, just greased up similar to my M14 trigger lubrication techniques seen in my M14 clinics!
Now, here's the voice of authority....I witnessed a civilian shooter whose COLT HBar trigger passed the NSCC/CFSAC trigger testers while he had his score cards signed off near the ammo truck way back in July1999.
This procedure has happened to me a few times, and yes... at the national level!
Back to the story... He was pissed. WTF went wrong ? WTF could have gone screwy?
His trigger barely held the weight BEFORE that match. AFTER that match, the lubrication and other unseen variables worked to disable his trigger's ability to hold up that 2.5 kg test mass. YES, he did tell me that his trigger WAS lightened! Enough to pass the test when the rifle was COLD! Who would have thought about that trigger failing when the rifle heated up?
You can jump on me and flame me all you would like, but I was ONE of a very FEW civvies THERE! And that's the voice of the shxt sandwich!!
I compete with a factory trigger! Nothing fancy! If you ain't convinced, then some Queen's Medal winners (and CF Bisley shooters) reading this can/better back me up, 'cause their C7A1/2 triggers ain't lightened!!
Peace out!
As much as I respect Hungry's KISS method, you can buy aftermarket triggers that will work better than OEM triggers and pass any inspection thrown at them. Stock triggers work great, but they can be improved upon.
Paulinski is on the right track with his recommendation of a Geissele Service Trigger.
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Definitly clean up your stock trigger to your liking. You can shoot great with it and its much cheaper than buying a Geissele.
That being said Geisseles are so nice.
That being said Geisseles are so nice.
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What exactly are you "cleaning up to your liking" ??
Are you removing material at the contact points? On the sides? deburring? ect.
Are you removing material at the contact points? On the sides? deburring? ect.
I have a Colt 6920 with a horrible stock trigger (I think it breaks around 12lbs), and while I agree with the sentiment of the trigger not winning matches, it certainly can't hurt - especially at the 400 & 500m points. If you do go with an aftermarket trigger, It would be nice if there is a little 'wiggle room' in the weight it can hold.
I have a Giessle that holds no problem. I only lightly oil it.
I have a Giessle that holds no problem. I only lightly oil it.
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Nobody here is suggesting that. We are saying there are better triggers available on the market.
NavyShooter
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The improvement gained from buying a better trigger will be negligible compared to getting the rifle out to the range and shooting/practicing.
Spend some time in the kneeling position. It'll help.
NS
Spend some time in the kneeling position. It'll help.
NS
Aside from practicing & working of physical fitness, as far as improvements to the rifle goes, the trigger would be my #1 priority, followed by a floated barrel.
A decent trigger could be the difference between a 4 or 5 and a miss in a kneeling snap....
If scores improve with an upgrade in trigger, I'd say its worth it.
A decent trigger could be the difference between a 4 or 5 and a miss in a kneeling snap....
If scores improve with an upgrade in trigger, I'd say its worth it.
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Again, I agree with you. If you re-read the first post carefully, that wasn't the question he was asking.
bingo!!!!!
If a trigger causes a miss,you've got bigger problems than can be solved with an upgrade.
NavyShooter
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Hey, you've had a couple of QM0's chime in here (runners up)
Feel free to ignore the advice though and spend whatever you'd like.
*shrug*
NS
Feel free to ignore the advice though and spend whatever you'd like.
*shrug*
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How can I make this clearer? I will try once again...
The guy specifically asked about upgrading his trigger. Read the post again. He didn’t ask if it was the deciding factor in winning matches. Nor did he ask if it was a better idea to spend money on ammo to practice with vs. buying a new trigger.
Some responded about the stated subject. Others, for unknown reasons, turned it into a thread about whether you need a match trigger to win matches.
The human psychology is fascinating. The mental leap away from the said topic to a 100% unrelated topic is odd.
The right answer is, wait for it... YES there are better triggers than the stock one. A good brand to try is Geissele.
NOTE: This does not mean you can't compete and win without one.
Before this thread started, I thought the below disclaimer would never be required on CGN, apparently not. Here it goes:
DISCLAIMER: A GEISSELE TRIGGER WILL NOT MAKE YOU MAGICALLY WIN MATCHES, I HAVE NEVER SAID SO. IT IS HOWEVER BETTER THAN AN UNMODIFIED STOCK TRIGGER. MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON MY SOUL FOR STATING THIS.
The guy specifically asked about upgrading his trigger. Read the post again. He didn’t ask if it was the deciding factor in winning matches. Nor did he ask if it was a better idea to spend money on ammo to practice with vs. buying a new trigger.
Some responded about the stated subject. Others, for unknown reasons, turned it into a thread about whether you need a match trigger to win matches.
The human psychology is fascinating. The mental leap away from the said topic to a 100% unrelated topic is odd.
The right answer is, wait for it... YES there are better triggers than the stock one. A good brand to try is Geissele.
NOTE: This does not mean you can't compete and win without one.
Before this thread started, I thought the below disclaimer would never be required on CGN, apparently not. Here it goes:
DISCLAIMER: A GEISSELE TRIGGER WILL NOT MAKE YOU MAGICALLY WIN MATCHES, I HAVE NEVER SAID SO. IT IS HOWEVER BETTER THAN AN UNMODIFIED STOCK TRIGGER. MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON MY SOUL FOR STATING THIS.
