Ban on grizzly hunt may be lifted

I was living in Alberta when they canceled the hunt. Media never gave a clear cut reason as to how count was done. I do know that where I use to hunt, mainly Rocky Mountain House area, there didn't seem to be a lot of evidence of Grizzlies. I say that based the fact that I spent Spring, Summer & Fall in that area every chance I got for eight years & never saw one. I don't know if they were even that far south anymore. Anyhow, back on track. The hunt cancellation pissed off a couple of outfitters I know. Their assertion was that the people who made the decision had probably never set foot in the bush. Just a side note: Was the A.P.O.S. on side with that plan back in 2005?
 
DANCESWITHEMPTIES said:
I was living in Alberta when they canceled the hunt. Media never gave a clear cut reason as to how count was done. I do know that where I use to hunt, mainly Rocky Mountain House area, there didn't seem to be a lot of evidence of Grizzlies. I say that based the fact that I spent Spring, Summer & Fall in that area every chance I got for eight years & never saw one. I don't know if they were even that far south anymore. Anyhow, back on track. The hunt cancellation pissed off a couple of outfitters I know. Their assertion was that the people who made the decision had probably never set foot in the bush. Just a side note: Was the A.P.O.S. on side with that plan back in 2005?
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Not sure why APOS would have a position? There hasn't been NR grizzly hunting in Alberta for decades....
 
DANCESWITHEMPTIES said:
I was living in Alberta when they canceled the hunt. Media never gave a clear cut reason as to how count was done. I do know that where I use to hunt, mainly Rocky Mountain House area, there didn't seem to be a lot of evidence of Grizzlies. I say that based the fact that I spent Spring, Summer & Fall in that area every chance I got for eight years & never saw one. I don't know if they were even that far south anymore. Anyhow, back on track. The hunt cancellation pissed off a couple of outfitters I know. Their assertion was that the people who made the decision had probably never set foot in the bush. Just a side note: Was the A.P.O.S. on side with that plan back in 2005?
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Seem to be a few South of Rocky. If they do reinstate the hunt, i don't see how it benefits Albertans if they allocate tags to outfitters. Unless there is good science showing a significant population.
 
Sorry, not a personal suggestion to a non resident hunt, but I knew they had some say on how the D.N.R. operated. I just wonder if they had plans on the idea?
 
sheephunter said:
They actually used DNA traps here in Alberta but many question their effectiveness.
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It is realistically the most cost effective way of doing it. There are better ways, but the funding isn't there for it. Understandably they need to protect the population, but their "projections" are extremely bias, and I think that there is enough of a population for at least 10 tags a year at the moment. 10 tags would likely result in 6 harvests. I've seen more "LEGAL" bears than rams sheep hunting, so what does that tell you?
And I am priority 7...........................
 
DANCESWITHEMPTIES said:
Sorry, not a personal suggestion to a non resident hunt, but I knew they had some say on how the D.N.R. operated. I just wonder if they had plans on the idea?
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Not sure you understand the role of APOS in Alberta but pretty sure they don't have a say on how SRD operates. They are a DOA of the government....not viceversa.
 
icehunter121 said:
I have hunted grizzlies right from the White Court area,Virginia hills to Grand Cache ...and spent a week in the Swan hills grizz area also....the population is not what it should be due to mans encroachment,roads,gas wells etc..etc....



If some one wants to shoot a grizz just so that they have a hide on the wall...or a trophy...sorry thats the wrong way to look at it...
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So why did you hunt them???

I know why I did.

Jamie
 
I don't know anything about that particular study, but DNA snags are considered to be a cost effective and reliable way of estimating grizz populations. You get two pieces of information, how many times the bait is hit and what the DNA tells you about possible population size and family linkages. Like the man says, they don't just line up for a head count!
I'm curious though- how did the biologists accidently kill their study animals and how does the general population know how many they accidently killed?? Stuff like that does happen occasionally but DNA snags are a hands off technique.
 
I'm curious though- how did the biologists accidently kill their study animals and how does the general population know how many they accidently killed?? Stuff like that does happen occasionally but DNA snags are a hands off technique.
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Many bears have been tranqulized and collared and the deaths were reported in the Province's mortality figures.
 
sheephunter said:
Not sure you understand the role of APOS in Alberta but pretty sure they don't have a say on how SRD operates. They are a DOA of the government....not viceversa.
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I understand that they did not have direct control over any part of the department . But they did contribute funding to things like aerial surveys, SRD forensics & U of A Bear Study. I believe this type of involvement does get you a "say" on how things are done or how hunting tags are allocated. I don't know of another outside group that could have more clout with the S.R.D. The money they put back into department programs & studies alone tells me that they can influence what gets looked at first, as they may fund a large chunk of it. I am not saying they are the puppet masters of the S.R.D. Far from it...But to think that the A.P.O.S. is simply dictated to by the S.R.D. seems pretty naive...
 
icehunter121 said:
I have hunted grizzlies right from the White Court area,Virginia hills to Grand Cache ...If some one wants to shoot a grizz just so that they have a hide on the wall...or a trophy...sorry thats the wrong way to look at it...
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So you've had the privelage of hunting Grizzly, and now you figure you're the authority. What parts of the Grizzly did you keep? Did you throw the hide away? Hypocrite
 
DANCESWITHEMPTIES said:
I understand that they did not have direct control over any part of the department . But they did contribute funding to things like aerial surveys, SRD forensics & U of A Bear Study. I believe this type of involvement does get you a "say" on how things are done or how hunting tags are allocated. I don't know of another outside group that could have more clout with the S.R.D. The money they put back into department programs & studies alone tells me that they can influence what gets looked at first, as they may fund a large chunk of it. I am not saying they are the puppet masters of the S.R.D. Far from it...But to think that the A.P.O.S. is simply dictated to by the S.R.D. seems pretty naive...
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I truly don't think you understand the relationship between the government and APOS....
 
sheephunter said:
I truly don't think you understand the relationship between the government and APOS....
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Ok, maybe I'm missing the point. Please explain to me the relationship between the two as you see it. I am not claiming to be an authority of either bear hunting or the the A.P.O.S., so maybe you can tell me?
 
DANCESWITHEMPTIES said:
Ok, maybe I'm missing the point. Please explain to me the relationship between the two as you see it. I am not claiming to be an authority of either bear hunting or the the A.P.O.S., so maybe you can tell me?
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APOS was set up as a DOA to act as the regulatory body for the Outfitting Industry in Alberta. They have no say over the decisions that SRD makes in regards to resident huntinters or opportunities. Like all groups in the province they can pass reccomendations from their membership along to the government regarding seasons/quotas/etc but they have no "say" in the matter. The U of A study you cited was their project, not the government's.
 
Now I think I know where the confusion lies between us: I agree they have no official say on how the SRD regulates resident hunting. But I don't think their recommendations are taken lightly with regards to head counts, as to say a resident or group of residents stating to the SRD what the head count is & how many animals should be harvested in an area (The last part of my statement maybe over the top with regards to the type of recommendation they would give...maybe) . I admit that it is just a proposal when APOS submits a study to the SRD. But head counts would effect tag allocations to both outfitters & residents alike. No?
 
I admit that it is just a proposal when APOS submits a study to the SRD. But head counts would effect tag allocations to both outfitters & residents alike. No?
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Quite possibly but as we were taking about G-bears here and there is no NR G-bear season.....it seems a moot point. I'm sure the black bear study was conducted with the intent of keeping opportunities for outfitters but I don't know that qualifies as "say". More just scientific input and it's still up to SRD whether they accept that input or not. I see it no different than the grizzly count the Willmore Wilderness Foundation undertook this year. It is good solid anecdotal evidence but SRD is under no obligation to use that data in their decision making. Hopefully they do but there is no requirement for them to just as with the U of A study.

APOS is far from the only group that has contributed money to aerial surveys.....ACA, AFGA, FNAWS, SCI to name a few.
 
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icehunter121 said:
I have hunted grizzlies right from the White Court area,Virginia hills to Grand Cache If some one wants to shoot a grizz just so that they have a hide on the wall...or a trophy...sorry thats the wrong way to look at it...
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2fat2fly said:
So you've had the privelage of hunting Grizzly, and now you figure you're the authority. What parts of the Grizzly did you keep? Did you throw the hide away? Hypocrite
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^^x10^^
 
2fat2fly said:
So you've had the privelage of hunting Grizzly, and now you figure you're the authority. What parts of the Grizzly did you keep? Did you throw the hide away? Hypocrite
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I never said I shot one or was a authority on the subject now did I ? Now who is the hypocrite here?? Feeling a little insecure are ya? Gotta start name calling.

My point is keep it closed to bring the numbers up if so possible then open it back up. Lots of grizz are killed by vehicles,problem bears etc etc.Sure there are probably a few poached at the same time. But if they open it up to soon there wont be any animals to let alone see or even shoot.
 
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