I doubt it. How much would new sights and a thumb safety cost? $100-150? And you could probably get a substantial discount on a large order. And if the rumors are true, the CF has a whole bunch of unissued pistols sitting in a warehouse somewhere. For all intents and purposes, those are brand new guns. No reason not to put them to good use.
Do the Canadian Forces need a new pistol
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If our soldier can't learn how to use a manual safety in five minutes or less they ought not be issued ammunition! Christ flip it up ...flip it down what is the big deal? Our young lads have more between their ears than some of you think.
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5 minutes is not enough time to build muscle memory in regards to using fine motor controls on a pistol, made worse by the pistol stuffed in amongst 50 other items hanging off the average soldier. the current training is better than what was around in the 70-80's but still has a long way to go. Not helped that many of the instructors have minimal training as well.
capp325, you forgot to add in the cost of procuring the parts, bidding on the rebuild, movement of stock in and out, plus you might as well renew the mags and recoil/hammer springs will you are at it. Everything the army touches becomes much more expensive, partly through their own actions, but also through the processes the government makes them go through. I believe it was KevinB that advised me that the Glock is being sold to agencies, military for approx $250 US complete with extra mags.
capp325, you forgot to add in the cost of procuring the parts, bidding on the rebuild, movement of stock in and out, plus you might as well renew the mags and recoil/hammer springs will you are at it. Everything the army touches becomes much more expensive, partly through their own actions, but also through the processes the government makes them go through. I believe it was KevinB that advised me that the Glock is being sold to agencies, military for approx $250 US complete with extra mags.
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OK, I have a solution. A SA/DA trigger with manual safety decocker! Oh wait a minute the American's figured out this argument a long time a go. 
DA on the first shot. You can carry with one in the chamber. No thumb flicking required (if you don't want). I'm for the G17, M&P, 226, 92. But you know what how 'bout the 229 or G19?
DA on the first shot. You can carry with one in the chamber. No thumb flicking required (if you don't want). I'm for the G17, M&P, 226, 92. But you know what how 'bout the 229 or G19?
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I dont see why they dont call S&W up get them to put a manual safety on the M&P 9 and keep the mag disconect then it will be verymuch like the browning and for the going rate of thoese plus the discount they would get they could get them WAY WAY cheaper than any SIG even a refurb one.
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Let's start a campaign..."every combat trade soldier gets a pistol". That is the real issue here me thinks!
PS.Training to go along with it.
At that rate, bring over another boat full of Norc 213's. proven design, 9mm, slim enough for anyone to shoot, and CHEAP like borscht!
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Too bad there wasn't a 9 in a LDA trigger type Commander style steel pistol. Steel frame but compact, reasonably simple, no safety required, pull & shoot.
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Too bad there wasn't a 9 in a LDA trigger type Commander style steel pistol. Steel frame but compact, reasonably simple, no safety required, pull & shoot.
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Just to make it more interesting, all those pistols suggested would have to be able to digest 9mm NATO spec ammo that tends to be a little hotter then normal 9mm.
MP's have Sigs and have to have special ammo to feed them with.
MP's have Sigs and have to have special ammo to feed them with.
I would feel comfortable carrying a High Power. Even over a SIG. The Single-action design is well proven in the hands of competition shooters as being the best for first shot accuracy.
I say put a after-market safety on them of the type on 1911s and then offer people the coice of carrying the SIG or the HP cocked and locked.
As for this caliber debate. 9mm is the ONLY NATO pistol cartridge and the only one that will be considered no matter what reasoning.
I say put a after-market safety on them of the type on 1911s and then offer people the coice of carrying the SIG or the HP cocked and locked.
As for this caliber debate. 9mm is the ONLY NATO pistol cartridge and the only one that will be considered no matter what reasoning.
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SIG P226 ..........9 NATO
GLOCK 21 ....... .45 ACP
The Sig P226 is no doubt top-of-the-line, BUT it's a p*ssy 9mm. I trust my G21 with my life. Equiped with night sights, Streamlight M3X, and 13-round LE mags, SUPER accurate, massive stopping-power .45 ...DEADLY combination.
GLOCK 21 ....... .45 ACP
The Sig P226 is no doubt top-of-the-line, BUT it's a p*ssy 9mm. I trust my G21 with my life. Equiped with night sights, Streamlight M3X, and 13-round LE mags, SUPER accurate, massive stopping-power .45 ...DEADLY combination.
I know a guy that went over to Afg with some of his own HP mags. Would this not be a good idea for grunts who might need to use their pistol?
I have an Inglis that works perfectly, but the mags are almost unused.
I have an Inglis that works perfectly, but the mags are almost unused.
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Colin;2639316} the current training is better than what was around in the 70-80's but still has a long way to go. Not helped that many of the instructors have minimal training as well. [/QUOTE said:
I've been told that those soldiers who have access to pistols in Afghanistan and are issued C7s mostly opt to leave the pistol behind as it will never get used and it's an extra few pounds of kit for nothing. That reasoning may be why this has never been a big issue before.[/QUOTE said:
I am a wpns tech and I would be happy with either a sig or a glock.
Hell, ANYTHING that wont give me such a hammer bite all the freakin' time!
Rumor is that Sigs are favoured right now, but I know that a new fleet of $1200 pistols isnt in the budget.
Hell, ANYTHING that wont give me such a hammer bite all the freakin' time!
Rumor is that Sigs are favoured right now, but I know that a new fleet of $1200 pistols isnt in the budget.
This describes well the Sig P226.
Yeah, the sigs are nice and solid. I like the long draw trigger pull of the first round. Something bigger than an 8 round clip may be better depending on the user but the slim profile makes carry a lot nicer than the browning.
The guys here are getting issued brand new shiny Brownings that look like war stock. If we get new pistols anytime in the future it won't be until the current stock of brownings gets used up. I think the browning will be here long after I retire.
The guys here are getting issued brand new shiny Brownings that look like war stock. If we get new pistols anytime in the future it won't be until the current stock of brownings gets used up. I think the browning will be here long after I retire.
