Do the Canadian Forces need a new pistol

I like the Browning. During WW2, Korean War and even Vietnam (some US troops used the Browning as a non-issued private alternative-it held more rounds than the 1911) as well as many conflicts around the globe, the Browning HP has served well, defended the possessor of the pistol and killed well.
Is this question of whether the CF needs a new pistol akin to the rifles of yesteryear that harvested untold numbers of game are no longer able to do it now that a newer, shinier or more fashionable firearm/cartridge combination is being pushed by a manufacturer? It is good to be innovative but the HP has proved itself time and again. Moreover, it still looks modern and shoots well. Magazines with deformed lips or week or broken floor plates cannot be used as an argument for getting rid of the pistol. Why throw out the baby with the bath water?
People are just hungry for something different.

By the way, close protection and not just the JTF2 use the SIG 226 along with C8's with suppressors.
 
if better proven I would say the M&P9 would be a great idea,not to much$$$ and with the grip change system would make a good simple pistol to train on and use
 
Teapot said:
Magazines with deformed lips or week or broken floor plates cannot be used as an argument for getting rid of the pistol. Why throw out the baby with the bath water?
People are just hungry for something different.
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Yes, you can replace a mag easily enough. When a pistol goes off in a chest rig from being bumped around that is a whole new can of worms. There are many stories from the front about how unsafe the browning is when being smacked about. That was my arguement for getting rid of the pistol. As an ammo tech it dosen't bother me much anymore because I will not be drawing my pistol in anger again anytime soon, but I spent my time in the combat arms so any opinion I make isn't just pulled out of my arse. personally I think those guys and gals need something a little more reliable and safe. Get something better for the folks on the front and give the brownings to guys like me.

You are right in saying that it still has its use. But it depends on the user. I won't speak for the JTF or anyone else because thats out of my lane but I would think they are happier with the Sig.
 
HP's are not my first choice either but they are still good combat pistols; just not good for those who need a round up the spout like police or close protection. Ordinary infantry can use their rifle and switch to the pistol as a last resort. Surely they will have time to pull a slide back. My buddy would not buy a fancy "high speed" holster from the kit shop and just asked to be issued an ordinary green nylon or canvas SF issue holster. He was happy with it. He carries it loaded but not readied. He is on the OMLT.
 
I would like to see an all-steel SIG 226/229 in 9mm with the tritium sights and DAK trigger system. It would meet the needs of most who would need to use it. I have seen several instances on the firing line where mag floorplates fall out along with the rounds. I hope that would not happen to anyone again in any combat situation.
 
Teapot said:
HP's are not my first choice either but they are still good combat pistols; just not good for those who need a round up the spout like police or close protection. Ordinary infantry can use their rifle and switch to the pistol as a last resort. Surely they will have time to pull a slide back. My buddy would not buy a fancy "high speed" holster from the kit shop and just asked to be issued an ordinary green nylon or canvas SF issue holster. He was happy with it. He carries it loaded but not readied. He is on the OMLT.
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The BHP can be carried cocked and locked, just like a 1911, provided it's got the MKIII-style thumb safety (a pretty simple upgrade).
 
You guys are all talking about Glocks being a good choice, but... I was thinking about this today, is a direct (or not)hit by a bullet a part of the test to choose a sidearm for the army?
Like a hit from 100yds (example) of that or that kind of bullet and caliber?
I don't know about you, but I don't see a polymer frame resisting so much to a bullet hit, an alloy or a steel frame will probably survive and still be in good enough shape to work properly.
 
Artiz said:
You guys are all talking about Glocks being a good choice, but... I was thinking about this today, is a direct (or not)hit by a bullet a part of the test to choose a sidearm for the army?
Like a hit from 100yds (example) of that or that kind of bullet and caliber?
I don't know about you, but I don't see a polymer frame resisting so much to a bullet hit, an alloy or a steel frame will probably survive and still be in good enough shape to work properly.
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This reminds me of the guy who was arguing the BHP is better than a Glock because the BHP is heavier and would be better to pistol whip an opponent.

:rolleyes:
 
Pretty soon people will be asking for different hats with gold tassels around the brim because they are "cool" looking.
Whatever works, works. The BHP works. Hey, I'd rather use my own Glock-17 just because it's mine, but I won't feel disadvantaged with the BHP; it's far better than that U.S. issued POS, the Beretta.
 
never take a knife to a gun fight

Does the CDN Forces need a new Pistol.. NO, They could use some new leader ship maybe.
The BHP is OK for what its made for . Self defense at 15 yds or less.
And it saved my bacon at least twice..

IMAT
 
Ammo Tech said:
Anyone who leaves the wire must have a sidearm if it was issued to them. It is not an personal chioce/option to leave it behind. Its true that it hardly gets used, but when crawing around in tight spaces a pistol comes in handy.
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Oh, sorry, I don't know for real. That was just something a buddy of mine who's done a couple of tours told me. I had asked him about the pistols for the front line staff and he said those who have them leave them behind and only carry the C7 because it's extra weight for nothing. If that's incorrect, that's cool.
 
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