URGENT, sending handgun by mail, advice need

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I am correcting this one for any other soul that might be in same situation. This one is from RCMP website (thanks mdragon9):

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/faq/trans-eng.htm

"You may ship restricted firearms, non-restricted firearms and prohibited handguns from one Canadian location to another Canadian location if you use the most secure method offered by Canada Post that requires a signature upon delivery. Prohibited firearms, other than prohibited handguns, and firearms being shipped across the Canadian border, must be shipped by an individual or carrier company licensed under the Firearms Act to transport those classes of firearms.

You are required by law to ship firearms unloaded and in a safe and secure manner to deter loss, theft and accidents."

This one from Canad Post website http://www.postescanada.ca/tools/pg/manual/PGnonmail-e.asp#1378242

Customers who wish to ship firearms must :

Use Regular Parcel with Signature option

* unload the firearms
* attach a secure locking device to the firearms
* lock the firearms in a sturdy, non-transparent container and
* remove the bolt or bolt carrier from any automatic firearms (if removable).

Firearms cannot be shipped via air and cannot have any markings on the outside of the packaging. The Customer is solely responsible for meeting all Canadian Firearms Centre regulations.

Temporary ATT for transport to Postal Office required and it's valid for one day only, so my advice is to get all packaging material ready and than phone CFO for TATT.

I had done all required, and then some. Package insured and tracing number attached. The only (minor) problem is that buyer will have bit hard time to unpack everything :eek:
 
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my gun came in the mail w/out trigger lock. it was in its original packaging in a paper wrapped plain box...it was shipped by priorty courier canada post....maybe it helps
 
Onty said:
I need your advice urgently, sending handgun inside Canada by mail first time. I asked around and was told:

- No trigger lock required
- Package should be insured
- No indication on the box what is inside
- I should not tell postal clerk what I am shipping

For my peace of mind, is anywhere written (government) regulation(s) how to send handgun by mail?

Any advice will be very useful. Many thanks, Onty.
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Your information is correct. You will need to consider the following as well and I believe they are a must.

-- Make absolutely sure it is well packaged
-- Send it via Express Post
-- Send it Signature Required

Also not necessary, but I have used a zip tie through the magazine well and the action, or the trigger guard and around the action for additional deterrence. But as I say, not necessary.
 
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When I shippped one of my handguns out for a repair, I was also told that I needed to obtain an ATT in order to take it to the Post Office. Currently your ATT state that they are only good for taking your firearms to a range or approved repair center.
 
jody_v said:
When I shippped one of my handguns out for a repair, I was also told that I needed to obtain an ATT in order to take it to the Post Office. Currently your ATT state that they are only good for taking your firearms to a range or approved repair center.
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Er, once its packaged up at home in a nondescript parcel, it becomes 'parcel'. not a gun.
 
nza said:
Er, once its packaged up at home in a nondescript parcel, it becomes 'parcel'. not a gun.
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That may be true.........but when I phoned the CFC and requested the ATT, they faxed me one over immediately. They didn't say that I didn't need one.
Secondly if for some reason or other my firearm ends up somewhere or with someone it shouldn't, I now have paperwork to backup my claim that I sent it somewhere by mail.
 
nza said:
Er, once its packaged up at home in a nondescript parcel, it becomes 'parcel'. not a gun.
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No, thats garbage, its still a restricted gun and you are still transporting it. To be within the law you need an ATT to take it to the post office and the other person needs an ATT to pick it up and take it home. I've done the mail thing a few times now and had the conversation with the CFO.

If you happened to get in an accident and the parcel was found to contain a gun, you could get in serious trouble. It doesn't matter what province.

Its no big deal, the CFO will fax it to you and I think some will even email it now. Just call em up.

Here's the link to the Canada Post rules,

http://www.postescanada.ca/tools/pg/manual/PGnonmail-e.asp#1378242

you want section 4.3. Note you must "attach a secure locking device to the firearms", also note the "no markings" requirement.

and here is a FAQ from the RCMP,

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/faq/trans-eng.htm

Hope that helps.
 
I just want to add.... you need a TATT or Temporary Autorization to Transport..... that covers you to take the "package" to the Post Office, as well as the "guy" at the other end to pick up the "package".

When you contact the CFO tell them that you are sending the firearm by Canada Post, the TATT will include any and all info that is required.

Remember to include a copy of the TATT in the package, no one has told me to do this, but if you need it on your person to take the gun to the range, it stands to reason to do so while shipping as well.

Cheers
 
jody_v said:
When I shippped one of my handguns out for a repair, I was also told that I needed to obtain an ATT in order to take it to the Post Office. Currently your ATT state that they are only good for taking your firearms to a range or approved repair center.
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You are correct sir.
once you get in writing the authorization to transfer the handgun,
you have to ask for an ATT to bring it to your local post office.
Thats the way its done in Ont, i am sure its the same for all other provinces.
 
Canada Post has a policy they want us to adhere to. Policy is not law. Canada Post does not make Firearms Laws.

On the other hand, what the RCMP lists in regards to transporting, IS law. Nowhere do they list anything about trigger locks, air/ground transport, type of delivery, or to include an ATT with the parcel.

The RCMP lists the folowing:

Q. Can I send firearms in the mail?

You may ship restricted firearms, non-restricted firearms and prohibited handguns from one Canadian location to another Canadian location if you use the most secure method offered by Canada Post that requires a signature upon delivery. Prohibited firearms, other than prohibited handguns, and firearms being shipped across the Canadian border, must be shipped by an individual or carrier company licensed under the Firearms Act to transport those classes of firearms.

You are required by law to ship firearms unloaded and in a safe and secure manner to deter loss, theft and accidents.

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Q. Do I need authorization to transport my firearms from one location to another?

Any time you personally transport a restricted or prohibited firearm within Canada, you need an Authorization to Transport (ATT) from the Chief Firearms Officer of the province where the firearm is located or where it will be entering Canada. You do not need an ATT for firearms that are being shipped by licensed carrier or for non-restricted firearms that you are transporting yourself.

(FYI -- Canada Post is a licenced carrier.)

They state any time you personally transport a restricted or prohibited firearm within Canada, you need an Authorization to Transport, but at what point does the recipient request an ATT to take a parcel home from the Post Office. How does he know if a parcel contains a restricted or prohibited firearm and what if ask my secretary to take a parcel from my home to the Post Office.
 
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Make sure you ask for a signature to recive the parcel.
I got a gun sent to me no lock papers in the gun case wraped in about 80 layers of newspaper and 1/2" of packing tape. and it was just placed in my mail box in the middle of town i'm sure it sat in the mailbox for at least 8 hrs. didn't think that was to safe.
 
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