You guys see the 308 from kel-tec

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rivetc78 said:
And those that called in :) Don't leave us out :dancingbanana:
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No worries Mate.

One other thing I really should say about these is about licensing and timeframes. I haven't said too much about this, but it's important in a 'managing expectations' sense and is the overriding consideration for the next step in getting these rifles to people in Canada.

As it stands, it seems very likely that we will need to license each rifle individually, so $250USD/head. These licenses are good for 12 months (actually, about 11 months with human factors and mailing times). It seems that less than 50 of these have left Kel-Tec, and there is no real date for full production deliveries starting (just received correspondance confirming this this morning).

So, with AR15 manufacturers quoting 9 month lead times, and Kel-Tec generally running even before the Obamapanic at 6 months lead times for current models that have been in production for years, and a massive massive backorder stemming from two years of showing prototypes of this rifle, if we go ahead and get licenses for individual end users today, it is very likely that these licenses could expire before we get delivery of the rifles.

I've already had this happen this year with a number of other hard-to find firearms, for us it gets expensive if we wind up paying $500 for a license that we can only get one or two models of, but if end-users are paying for that license (which we've never done before), I'm not prepared to have people say that they were "ripped off" for $250US by AEI if we get into this situation of expired licenses, or demanding their $250 back, or angry because they paid $250 and are waiting 10 months, and/or generally slagging our reputation about things out of our control, like Kel-Tecs production schedule, (or demanding daily updates for the next 11 months because we've taken the license fee and they don't have a gun yet, that'd be brutal). (Oh, it'll happen!). ;)

So, I guess my advice is to 'hang 'er down'. We're on top of this, and when Kel-Tec is ready to start shipping, we'll be ready with the licenses (as permitted by the US DOS), I've got a lot of time and money already into this, a lot of the groundwork has been done, and I plan on seeing it to fruition. There is more going on behind the scenes regarding licenseing for these than what needs to be posted here.

One guy in the USA posting that he's seen one (or 50 guns making it out into the vast US market) doesn't a production run make. And, when we bring in a gun from another country, we need to know it works first. Again, just trying to keep expectations realistic.

I do appreciate the interest and continue to poke away emails with KELTEC RFB in the header into a 'to contact' email box. When the time comes to update people, you can bet I (we) will.

I'm as excited about owning one of these as anyone else it! :)

All the best,
DT
 
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What a straight up explanation. :)

Now I can spend the $2500 I have been stashing on something else....LOL :) :)

Now that I know it will be awhile longer (months).

Maybe it would be a good idea to grab a source of Mags. If there will be a 6 month or even 12 month wait for the rifles..... the mags could be the same.
I would buy a few mags now knowing I have them and paid $XX dollars. Instead of not being to find any 9 months from now and if I did they would be 4x the price....

Something to think about. Pre-order/pre-pay for some mags
 
Is anyone planning on going ahead with this? I'm hedging right now, it's a very fair offer ArmsEast has made, but I'm not sure if I can put ~1300 bucks to sleep for a year.
 
rommelrommel said:
Is anyone planning on going ahead with this? I'm hedging right now, it's a very fair offer ArmsEast has made, but I'm not sure if I can put ~1300 bucks to sleep for a year.
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Yup, absolutely. I've got high hopes of making an RFB my primary hunting rifle. Got an email from Walt saying I'm on the waiting list. Thanks Walt!
 
So basically these are only available to mil/le right now right?

Walt will you be updating us as to when us normal civvies can order one of these sweet units? I want one bad.
 
So was thinking about optics for the "carbine" version.

So far NF 1-4x with 3.5" of eye relief seems to be the winner. Any thoughts on this? Trijicon etc?
 
mrsmitty said:
I have an Elcan Specter DR in 7.62 nato calibration waiting for mine. And probably a Leupold 2.5-10X scope for hunting.
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I was considering the Elcan Spectre as well. Only I wasn't sure what the eye relief was. The 5.56 version was only 70mm. I'm not a big fan of scope bite. :D. The price of these things are pretty steep as well. Then again the NF isn't exactly cheap.

I was also looking at duel CQB range shooting and hunting.


I was going to just use my Falcon 1.5-5x SIR but I'm not so sure that would be a good idea on a 7.62mm carbine. 5.56/.223 it would work decently. I'm just not sure there is enough eye relief.
 
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If the eye relief is too short the Elcan will find its way onto the XCR-M I have on order. The poor thing is still sitting in the box that I haven't even taken the plastic wrap off of yet. I am also looking at those IOR scopes CanAm is bring in. There is a IOR scope good for hunting and CQB like that 1.5-8x26mm.
 
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