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Seeing alot of praise on the TSX bullet. Is the TSX not a copy-cat of the Winchester FailSafe that was offered about 10 years ago or so. I don,t remember there being a big demand for FailSafe and don,t believe they even offer them anymore. Or did Barnes buy the deisign from Winchester
 
The Failsafe was solid copper up front with a lead core in a steel cup behind a "partition". Great bullet. The TSX is a solid copper bullet with a plastic tip and grooves cut into the shank.
 
Barnes new MRX bullet is alot like the old Failsafe/Black Talon bullet. The TSX is a great bullet in it's own right.

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Fail Safe came out after the X bullet, so it would be the copy. The TSX is just the latest evolution of the X bullet. Fail Safes worked great if you like zero expansion below 2500 fps :)

chuck nelson said:
The TSX is a solid copper bullet with a plastic tip and grooves cut into the shank.
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actually that is the TTSX (Tipped Triple Shock X). The TSX is a hollow point
 
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TSX was a modification of the old X bullet as we all know. The X had way too much bearing surface on the lands and grooves of barrels... more so with the heavy grain bullets. Couldn't load them up too heavy as pressures would spike quickly. Barnes cut grooves in the bullet shank to reduce chamber pressure and increase velocity. TSX shoot very well in my quarterbores but they are way too expensive and heavily constructed for shooting whitetail size thin skinned game IMO.
 
220Swifty said:
Similar concept, different bullet. If you want to talk about design copying, look at the Nosler partition and it's imitators. (Swift A-frame being the most blatant)
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If you want to talk about copying look at the Nosler Ballistic Tip and the CIL Sabre Tip which old John Nosler saw on one of his hunting trips to Canada.
 
pharaoh2 said:
Barnes new MRX bullet is alot like the old Failsafe/Black Talon bullet. The TSX is a great bullet in it's own right.

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Good pictures and thanks for that. Following the 'suggestions' of my son in law and info and recommendations of a couple of people on HBC, I'm in the process of changeover from standbys like Sierra Gamekings to Barnes. In a recently acquired 7x61 S&H and to start testing, I'm planning on going with the 140gr TTSX and/or the 140gr MRX. Next on the list is my '06 and there I'm thinking of 150gr TTSX and/or MRX. Then, in the 308NM, I'm looking at the 168gr TTSX and or the 165gr MRX. Question, inline with your pictures, I've checked the Barnes site and I can't clearly see exactly what the main difference in construction is between the TTSX and the MRX. :redface:Do you have pictures of or a clear description of the difference, for someone trying to catch up with technology??
 
Johnn Peterson said:
Good pictures and thanks for that. Following the 'suggestions' of my son in law and info and recommendations of a couple of people on HBC, I'm in the process of changeover from standbys like Sierra Gamekings to Barnes. In a recently acquired 7x61 S&H and to start testing, I'm planning on going with the 140gr TTSX and/or the 140gr MRX. Next on the list is my '06 and there I'm thinking of 150gr TTSX and/or MRX. Then, in the 308NM, I'm looking at the 168gr TTSX and or the 165gr MRX. Question, inline with your pictures, I've checked the Barnes site and I can't clearly see exactly what the main difference in construction is between the TTSX and the MRX. :redface:Do you have pictures of or a clear description of the difference, for someone trying to catch up with technology??
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I think the main difference between the TTSX and MRX is that the TTSX is pure copper and the MRX has a heavier than copper Tungsten core.
You can see the Tungsten core in the picture.
 
Apparently TSXs have a sensor on them, when they strike an animal they expand perfectly, when they strike test media or an earth backstop, they don't expand and can actually be re-used. They now have grooves in them, kinda like an 1800s cast bullet, they forgot the lube however, oh well, at over $2/bullet, you can't have everything.
 
Johnn Peterson said:
I'm planning on going with the 140gr TTSX and/or the 140gr MRX. Next on the list is my '06 and there I'm thinking of 150gr TTSX and/or MRX. Then, in the 308NM, I'm looking at the 168gr TTSX and or the 165gr MRX.
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Why with the MRX? Are you planning on doing alot of extreme range hunting? The MRX was developed more for the 600+yard hunting crowd...

If you are going to be keeping your shots at more "normal" ranges the TTSX or TSX will most likely keep well within your needs...And at half the cost, probably mean you will practise with them a bit more....(Average cost for TSX's, $53/box of 50, as opposed to $55+/box of 20 for the MRX)
 
KodiakHntr said:
Why with the MRX? Are you planning on doing alot of extreme range hunting? The MRX was developed more for the 600+yard hunting crowd...
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The 600+yard crowd aren't using them either.
The ballistic coefficients are too low and the long range accuracy is suspect at best.

I honestly believe the MRX is an over-engineered marketing ploy.

Go with the TSX, Partition, or Accubond.
 
todbartell said:
Fail Safe came out after the X bullet, so it would be the copy. The TSX is just the latest evolution of the X bullet. Fail Safes worked great if you like zero expansion below 2500 fps :)
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The Fail Safe doesn't expand below 2500 FPS?
What have you heard or seen?
 
X-fan said:
The 600+yard crowd aren't using them either.
The ballistic coefficients are too low and the long range accuracy is suspect at best.

I honestly believe the MRX is an over-engineered marketing ploy.

Go with the TSX, Partition, or Accubond.
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Didn't say they were using them, just that the MRX was developed for them.....Pretty sure that you are correct on the marketing ploy aspect....Over-engineered is correct....An answer to a question that hadn't been asked.
 
ben hunchak said:
Apparently TSXs have a sensor on them, when they strike an animal they expand perfectly, when they strike test media or an earth backstop, they don't expand and can actually be re-used. They now have grooves in them, kinda like an 1800s cast bullet, they forgot the lube however, oh well, at over $2/bullet, you can't have everything.
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All of the TSX bullets I've fired at wet and dry newspaper have expanded. Same for the ones I see shot into ballistic gelatin. 95% of the ones I have picked up at the range shot into earth have expanded, although some have been smashed or bent when hitting rocks and don't expand like a magazine ad.

They don't seem to expand well in snow, although expand a bit they do. Most bullets I've picked up on top of melting snow have not expanded much.

All this is interesting, of course, but it doens't matter much when we consider thier prime reason is to kill game, and that they do very, very well.
 
KodiakHntr said:
Why with the MRX? Are you planning on doing alot of extreme range hunting? The MRX was developed more for the 600+yard hunting crowd...

If you are going to be keeping your shots at more "normal" ranges the TTSX or TSX will most likely keep well within your needs...And at half the cost, probably mean you will practise with them a bit more....(Average cost for TSX's, $53/box of 50, as opposed to $55+/box of 20 for the MRX)
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The reason I asked is because I'm attempting to make a transition from the choices of yesterday into what's #1 for today. After a check of their website and before I made a choice, I just thought I'd ask for some clarification.
 
Kinda why I asked....I would be surprised to see the MRX still in production in 2 more years....The TTSX will probably be around for quite a while.
 
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