What do you think Bushnell and Night Force
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While shooting 900m today I was thinking I should upgrade my scope. When you shoot 900m through the mirage you can't see all that well with any of the optics mentioned. Which one tracks the best? From a competition perspective this is by far the most important. If you can see the rings consistently well to aim properly optics don't matter. I know guys with NF which have crapped the bed let alone the other makes. I know some real optic connoisseurs who think NF are terrible compared to S&B.
I was using a $300 scope made in China. I can see just fine!
What make me want to go back to my irons and a sling is that (in this case) the elevation does not track properly. So, which ones track? Who shoot them at 900m or 1000yd and have a ton of rounds through them to have a bit of experience? I would love to have something with external adjustments like the br guys use (they epoxy the internal adjustments fixed) that have enough travel for 1000.
I was using a $300 scope made in China. I can see just fine!
What make me want to go back to my irons and a sling is that (in this case) the elevation does not track properly. So, which ones track? Who shoot them at 900m or 1000yd and have a ton of rounds through them to have a bit of experience? I would love to have something with external adjustments like the br guys use (they epoxy the internal adjustments fixed) that have enough travel for 1000.
Mystic Precision
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I compete with an Elite 4200 AO because it offers me one significant advantage lacking in all NF scopes - and no, its not extra money for entry fees
Sorry, one of the few things I will keep to myself but you can ask the guys in Kamloops as we debated this last year.
Xfan, I am curious about your feelings towards S&B's durability. When I looked through one a few years back, it was THE BEST optics I had looked through short of a Leica spotting scope. No scope, except maybe these new Sightron SIII's, comes close.
I have always considered them a long term purchase when fame and fortune struck me - at least the fortune part. Would be a shame if these scopes crap out with normal useage.
Look through as many products as you can at the distance and objects you want to shoot. Pick the one that fits your needs and budget.
As long as you are out there shooting, IT'S ALL GOOD....
Jerry
Mystic Precision
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Certainly, not in the beat on it category but I feel the glass might just be close.
Jerry
No, that is good logic. What is the one thing that is keeping you on the road? Your tires. The addage of 'where the rubber meets the road' comes to mind.
While I wouldn't necessarily use the same analogy with scopes, at distance it is pretty close. You could have a stock rifle shooting factory ball ammo like a house on fire, and if you don't have the sighting system to deliver it, it becomes the weak link in the chain.
Spend what you can for the best you can afford. I have four NF scopes with no regrets.
I thought he was saying you wouldn't need warrenty?? but I guess they do have failures!!!!
Depends solely on the application as well. The only S&B I looked through had great glass yes.....but the reticle looked like it was drawn on with a sharpie.
That is great if you are shooting at Fig. 11 and 12 targets, but if you shoot F-Class and have a 1/2 min V-Bull and a slightly larger than 1/2 min cross hair, it doesn't cut the mustard.
I sold my Bushnell 3200 6-24x50 Mildot for that very reason. Had good glass but the cross hair obliterated the 50mm X Ring at 300m, now with our .4moa (35mm) ICFRA V-Bull.....forget about anything BUT NF or Leupold with their 1/8min (and better) target dots.
BigUglyMan
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Depends solely on the application as well. The only S&B I looked through had great glass yes.....but the reticle looked like it was drawn on with a sharpie.
That's FFP for you.
Nope, the higher power ones come in SFP (5-25x56)
I can tell you that the FFP reticules are 0.65 mils wide (even the one in my avatar), which is just narrower than a shotgun casing at 200m (which are fun to plink
). As you get farther out, yeah it kinda sucks. Great brightness though, I've compared my friend's NF set to 16x and with mine next to it at 16x (both have 50mm objective) and there's a slight edge, but not much... Never compared them at dusk though. And that's my biased review for today!
I don't want to get into it with any of the" know it alls" but I recommended the 6500 because it is a very good scope and much less money then the Nightfarce. I believe that some can be had for a good price used and gave an example of one I had for sale, it is of too low a power for the poster and i was only using it as an example of prices for them. The scope is long sold.
I must also disagree with the poster who didn't like Leupolds because they didn't have enough power?? Some of my benchguns wear 40X and 45X power Leupold scopes, so power is not a concern...I also use Weaver 36 X scopes and Bushnell 6500s 4.5-30 power on benchguns, and again I feel the 6500 are the most versatile and the best scope for the money.....save the extra $1600 and buy a Coax press, fancy Redding bushing dies, neck turners, a nice front rest, etc.
I must also disagree with the poster who didn't like Leupolds because they didn't have enough power?? Some of my benchguns wear 40X and 45X power Leupold scopes, so power is not a concern...I also use Weaver 36 X scopes and Bushnell 6500s 4.5-30 power on benchguns, and again I feel the 6500 are the most versatile and the best scope for the money.....save the extra $1600 and buy a Coax press, fancy Redding bushing dies, neck turners, a nice front rest, etc.
Hi Ian
When you says does not track are you referring to repeatability or vertical tracking. If you are looking for vertical tracking the first thing I do is make sure that I have plumbed the scope so the crosshair is as vertical as I can get. My method is to go out to my club's 300yrd line and drop a plumb line and line the scope up with the rope. Once I have done that I go to the 100 yard line and run the elevation adjustment from my 100 yard zero up 33 minutes to see if the scope tracks vertically through the top of my elevation requirements.
If you are talking about repeatability the quick and dirty is to do a box test were you run 20 min up 20 min right 20 min down and 20 min left. You should be at the same point from wear you started.
Lastly the BR guys have problems with their POI shifting and that is why you see/hear about guys freezing their scopes and using external adjustments to hold zero. And I have hear of them using a cheap $100 36x power scope and seeing if freezing the internals would improve the POI bottom line it did.
When you says does not track are you referring to repeatability or vertical tracking. If you are looking for vertical tracking the first thing I do is make sure that I have plumbed the scope so the crosshair is as vertical as I can get. My method is to go out to my club's 300yrd line and drop a plumb line and line the scope up with the rope. Once I have done that I go to the 100 yard line and run the elevation adjustment from my 100 yard zero up 33 minutes to see if the scope tracks vertically through the top of my elevation requirements.
If you are talking about repeatability the quick and dirty is to do a box test were you run 20 min up 20 min right 20 min down and 20 min left. You should be at the same point from wear you started.
Lastly the BR guys have problems with their POI shifting and that is why you see/hear about guys freezing their scopes and using external adjustments to hold zero. And I have hear of them using a cheap $100 36x power scope and seeing if freezing the internals would improve the POI bottom line it did.
