Action shooting games with .22lr???

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Not sure if this has been discussed in the past but...

Maybe I'm dreaming or maybe one day it'll happen but seeing that reloading supplies are hard to get for some calibers as well as ammo right now but tons of .22lr everywhere you look for cheap...

Not only that, we're starting to see "black rifles" from Colt and Sig and maybe other companies but defintely 1022's and one's that have been cosmetically converted to look military. Then you have .22cal conversion kits for the full size handguns as well as the Sig Classic 22 models which is a full size .22cal handgun.

Could there one day be action shooting games that uses .22lr only?
 
NRA Action pistol now allows rimfire at the state (and provincial) level. While not wildly popular here, it does have a following.
 
I couple of countrys run what they call Mini rifle which is IPSC rifle with a .22LR
There is a push to get this added to IPSC and it looks like it has some backing.
This is one of the things I asked Sean to put before the NEC. So call or email your provincal rep and let them know you support the idea.
 
We shoot IDPA in the winter outside using our .22 pistols here in Terrace. Lots of fun. We don't have to chase brass in the snow.

Take Care

Bob
 
I couple of countrys run what they call Mini rifle which is IPSC rifle with a .22LR
There is a push to get this added to IPSC and it looks like it has some backing.
This is one of the things I asked Sean to put before the NEC. So call or email your provincal rep and let them know you support the idea.

I, myself do not see a point in shooting IPSC with .22lr.
From .22lr there is not far to pellet guns.
IPSC was started in 1976 and one of the pillars of IPSC was
power factor, why substitute this for .22lr, I know, I know this is not
to replace PF and IPSC, but that how the changes are made, slow and painful.
If one wants to shoot tactical pistol with .22lr should form their own organization but not change IPSC.
As for adding anything to IPSC, I would seriously consider Single Action, single stack magazines as a new division.

My two cents
 
I couple of countrys run what they call Mini rifle which is IPSC rifle with a .22LR

They do this because the "proper tools" are prohibited. It has nothing to do with promoting the sport...they are simply trying to survive. If they could use full power firearms...they most certainly would.

The UK also have alot of IPSC Shotgun matches (because shotguns are still legal there)
 
The ROC, there's a simple way around this. Work with your club to host your OWN event.

Locally one or two of the guys in my club took it upon theirselves to organize and schedule a Speed Steel shooting event. It's simple, doesn't take much time to set up if you have some steel targets available and is hellacioius fun and low in voluteer duties. Just a timer and one of the other shooters willing to run it for the RO when it's HIS turn to shoot.

Here's how it's set up and scored....

  • There's 5 targets, four or less white and one black. The 1,2 or 4 white targets are shot first and the black target last to finish the string.
  • If there's less than 4 whites then shots are split between them to total four hits. So one target would get all 4 shots, 2 would get two each, then it jumps to 4 to avoid confusing folks :D.
  • If the black is hit before the 4 whites then penalty times are added to the time as "failure to engage" penalties.
  • The idea is to keep shooting at the whites until you manage to hear 4 DING!'s Only then do you switch to hit the black.
  • Targets are set out at ranges from 10 to 50 yards to best provide an interesting layout that tests the shooter's skill but isn't stupidly hard. Generally distant targets are larger, like 2x3 feet plates while closer targets are made from 10 inch round discs. Barricades and other obstables that encourage kneeling or shooting around or through objects add to the fun.
  • Arrangeing the whites around the black to encourage accuracy or laughs due to a miss hitting the black and ending the stage early is a dirty trick that is used typically once per event to encourage groans and ribbing...:D
  • All shooting is done from one position on each stage. No running with guns in hand avoids the need for Black Badge or other special certifications. But in a lot of the cases the shooter may be required to start from a standing position and then kneel or duck to shoot through a barricade.
  • Requireing the use of strong or weak hand for some stages is encouraged. Stage designers that do so should be thick skinned to deal with the groans and comments about family origins indicating canine sources from the contestants... :D
  • The event is run strictly on time. Match timers record the time of the last shot and the RO with the timer and the shooter can clearly hear the BONG of the steel so they know better than to keep shooting. The BONG of the black ends the string.
  • Each shooter steps up with sufficient mags and ammo to shoot a full 6 strings in a row on each stage. The idea of this is to save a lot of down time in switching out shooters.
  • The RO/Timer does the usual "Load and make ready" and the shooter loads and holds the line gun at a 45 low ready. At the beep he engages the targets and the shooting stops when the black is hit or more than 30 seconds passes. That 30 second rule is to same both time and ammo. While the time for the string is being written down the shooter reloads and once ready the RO/Timer calls "Standby" and when the timer beeps you go again. Repeat 6 times. At the end of the last string the RO/Timer calls for you to unload and show clear. At that point you're done and the next shooter steps up.
  • Contestants are encouraged to help out by helping with timing or filling out score cards. For shooters that don't have enough magazines contestants help by reloading the magazines while the shooting is going on. THis makes for a fast running of the stage so a pretty decent number of shooters can move through in a hurry.
  • Contestants are split into equal size groups that number as many groups as there are stages (typically 5 or 6 stages). THis assumes you have access to enough timers of course. Each group has to have its own timer in order to keep scores.
  • The guns themselves are split into classes that help make it a bit more even. This is where the .22's come into it. For pistols there's groups for .22 semi, centerfire semi, centerfire DA "Police" (some local LEO's wanted to be able to use their service guns in their own class so it was added.). Each of these classes is then split again into Production sights or Open where red dots and full on race guns are allowed. On top of this there's a class for carbine where .22 semi rifles go up against pistol caliber centerfire carbines such as the Beretta Storm. In our case that class sees a lot of Ruger 10/22 rifles in use. Some use iron sights, others scopes and others red dots.
  • Awards are an annoucement of the winner for each class and a groan from the fellow competitors :D This avoids the need for awards and copious record keeping. But at some point if you wanted to trot out a season winner certificate printed on nice paper I'm sure a couple of hours with the computer, a colour inkjet and some fancy paper would produce some nice certificates. But for a day to day deal I'd keep it simple.

It sounds like a lot when you read it but keep in mind that I stuck in the full explanation of how to run the event as well as the very small number of "rules". In the local version of this about 1/4 of the folks are using .22's. I don't know why there isn't any more than that. It's wonderful fun and using the .22 makes for a cheap day of shooting. I've only been out to two of these so far but I fully plan on using one of my .22's for one pass through and then one of my centerfire handguns for the other. We generally shoot two separate events in one day. One before and the other after lunch. THis way folks can come early and get away or sleep in and join late without being penalized. And for those that can spend the full day there they get to shoot twice.

Many of the clubs have some form of steel targets around that can be used by hand gun caliber events such as this. If not then getting started would be a bit more work but it could still be done.

The big thing is that events like this exist not because they miraculously appear. They happen because someone looks around and thinks "someone should run an event like xyz.... Hmmmm.... maybe I should start one" and the rest becomes history. So find a couple of fellow shooters and talk to your club's management. A small fee collected to contribute to the club coffers should convince them.

Just remember, KEEP IT SIMPLE! Staying simple like our version has done makes for more people shooting, less down time and more fun all around. The lack of need to score and patch paper targets is what makes this possible. No "BONG!", "DING!" or "BINK!" sound means the shooter keeps going until he hits the target. Pretty simple really.
 
The ROC, there's a simple way around this. Work with your club to host your OWN event.

organize and schedule a Speed Steel shooting event.

This what I was thinking about, saw a few videos on youtube.

I wasn't really thinking about IPSC but IDPA sounds pretty good but is it simple enough to incorporate it in IDPA (I don't now the rules and regs).

Unfortunately my club is not sanction for IPSC, IDPA or allowed the use of a holster.
 
I've shot 2x 3 gun rimfire action matches, IPSC style, so far this year, in Lethbridge and Medicine Hat. What a hoot! I can hardly wait until the next one in Lethbridge at the end of August. It's great putting lead down range without having to spend hours at the reloading table. I wish that this had started 20 years ago.
My setup;
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Shot with FinePix E550 at 2009-05-29

Colt Government Model fitted with a Kimber .22 LR Conversion Kit & an Armalite M15A2 fitted with a Tactical Solutions .22 LR dedicated upper. My shotgun of choice is a 1913 manufactured Winchester M97, that I have used in at least 100 Cowboy Action matches in the last 10 years or so. The nice thing also, was the fact that I didn't need to buy any more mag pouches, everything works exactly the same as my centerfire belt kit.
 
This what I was thinking about, saw a few videos on youtube.

I wasn't really thinking about IPSC but IDPA sounds pretty good but is it simple enough to incorporate it in IDPA (I don't now the rules and regs).

Unfortunately my club is not sanction for IPSC, IDPA or allowed the use of a holster.


NRA match in Barrie in August it allows rimfire hand guns check the tread on here check with "mrclean":welcome::):):)
 
This what I was thinking about, saw a few videos on youtube.

I wasn't really thinking about IPSC but IDPA sounds pretty good but is it simple enough to incorporate it in IDPA (I don't now the rules and regs).

Unfortunately my club is not sanction for IPSC, IDPA or allowed the use of a holster.

Because a lot of folks don't have holsters for ther .22 pistols and revolvers we start all shooters from the low ready position. It is fair for everybody.

Simple arays can be made up that are a lot of fun and you will be playing with your toys. Just use your imagination and you will be fine in designing fun stages.

Take Care

Bob
 
IDPA is sanctioning matches with .22 rimfire?

And where did you get that idea from?

If clubs wish to have matchs featuring the use of 22 pistols using the format of IDPA they are free to do so. They aren't IDPA events and certainly not "Sanctioned" but they are a hell of a lot of fun and in the winter are great diversions pending the return of warm weather.

Take Care,

Bob
 
I've brough up this subjuect because I'm currently eyeing a new full size .22lr and being full size all I need is a Bladetech holster, I already have 6 mag pouches and belt.

I belong to OSGC and the last two visit to the range I'm firing off about 300 rounds of .22lr through my S&W 422 each time. It's so much fun but I'm saying to myself... "I wish they would allow steel plates to shoot at..." Then one thought leads to another...

I not sure they would allow it but I'm now wondering who I could talk to the OSGC about having one day out of every other month where we would hold a .22lr only (rifle and pistol) speed steel shoot match????

There would be no need to stand beyond the shooting benches and yes to be fair to shooters that don't have IPSC or IDPA rigs everyone would start from a low ready position.

On the far left side they have the 25 meter range and the far right side is the 50 meter.

Hmmmmm....
 
They do this because the "proper tools" are prohibited. It has nothing to do with promoting the sport...they are simply trying to survive. If they could use full power firearms...they most certainly would.

The UK also have alot of IPSC Shotgun matches (because shotguns are still legal there)

Where can I get "proper" 20 & 30 round mags for my AR? How about 20 rounders for my M14? Last I looked these where prohibited along with a large number of the rifles you see used in other countries.
 
Where can I get "proper" 20 & 30 round mags for my AR? How about 20 rounders for my M14? Last I looked these where prohibited along with a large number of the rifles you see used in other countries.

Feel free to work with clubs to get 22 action style sports running in Ontario...but it won't be IPSC...period.

Speed, Power and Accuracy...in case you forgot...
 
I, myself do not see a point in shooting IPSC with .22lr.
From .22lr there is not far to pellet guns.
IPSC was started in 1976 and one of the pillars of IPSC was
power factor, why substitute this for .22lr, I know, I know this is not
to replace PF and IPSC, but that how the changes are made, slow and painful.
If one wants to shoot tactical pistol with .22lr should form their own organization but not change IPSC.
As for adding anything to IPSC, I would seriously consider Single Action, single stack magazines as a new division.

My two cents

I don't know about .22 pistol maybe as a youth class.
But in rifle with the compensators most people are using and the Pistol caliber guns I really don't see it as that big of a deal. Clubs will keep running full power rifle matches and I will keep shooting them. But some clubs don't have ranges to hold a real rifle match and there is a very large pool of people with a .22 rifle that could be brought into IPSC rifle.
 
...and what...it becomes a paper only sport? You can't knock over steel with a .22.

There are much better ways to promote rimfire sports without watering down IPSC.

Sorry but you are wrong. We use steel targets designed for .22lr all the time. The OP was asking for ways he could shoot a form of Action Pistol with .22lr pistols. Frankly shooting steel targets it is great fun and challenging too.

Take Care

Bob
 
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