IPSC match format

Level 3 Format

  • Shoot only (I don't want to work)

    Votes: 17 21.5%

  • Shoot and Work

    Votes: 22 27.8%

  • Shoot / Work (seperately)

    Votes: 40 50.6%
  • Total voters
    79
A lot of good points being brought up here.

A lot seems to ride on the CRO/RO having a good grasp of how the stage scoring will flow, and being able to communicate that to the squad.

Letting the squad know where the scorekeeper will start, and possibly the need to appoint someone to observe your targets beind scored if stages are being run back-to-back sets the tone.
 
Range 8.. we thought it was easier to keep the squads contained in the taped off area rather that letting them wander in the forest with all the bumps and lumps and rocks and holes (kinda like herding cats) and they were actully suprised when we told them they would not be patching.
The best part was we kept the reset at around 5 mins per person from beep to beep.
The best part was having a very professional crew and everyone communicationg well during the scoring and reset process.
 
mrclean said:
(kinda like herding cats) .
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Dude, you really need to find new hobbies....


If by working you mean patching and setting steel, it should be done by the squad while it shoots the stage. We've shot so many US Nationals, Area matches and other Level III's where that's the expected practice and everyone one up to and including all members of the Super Squads follows this with no arguements. In fact you can expect to be harrassed about it if you don't. There's no possible way you can expect to not have to patch when Rob Leatham, Todd Jarrett, or Max Michel are out patching....
 
I prefer to shoot only, however if needed and required I will patch, paint, set steel and whatever RO wants me to do.
There should be a format spelled out at briefing regarding work on that stage, so everyone does his part. I think next shooter, shooter who shot before and person on deck shouldn't do any work.
It is easier if RO will tell guys what to do.
 
PH Racing said:
Dude, you really need to find new hobbies....


If by working you mean patching and setting steel, it should be done by the squad while it shoots the stage. We've shot so many US Nationals, Area matches and other Level III's where that's the expected practice and everyone one up to and including all members of the Super Squads follows this with no arguements. In fact you can expect to be harrassed about it if you don't. There's no possible way you can expect to not have to patch when Rob Leatham, Todd Jarrett, or Max Michel are out patching....
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:agree:
 
Isn't it kind of funny (sad) that most of the people that are adamant about working and shooting at the same time have International experience?:confused:

Guys like Madness, PHRacing, PMT, Freedom Ventures, and myself all agree that we should shoot and work at the same time. There are others, but these are the guys I know of. I personally have pictures that I have taken of God Squads at US Nats and Area matches with patches in all their little hands!!! Almost all of the Canadian Masters are very good workers at patching targets. Yes, there are a couple that need a kick every now and then, but for the most part they are VERY good workers. I won't mention names on the "kicker" list.:redface:

Leatham, Barnhardt (where is he?), Sevigney, Strader, Burrell, and the list goes on. They don't ##### about it either. There are a couple reasons that I know of right away.

First, working and shooting are how the game is played.......period. Second, it gives the shooter a close up of all the targets, movers, steel and shooting areas as he moves around the range. This is an advantage to the better shooters. They learn and digest the information throughout their squad as they shoot.:rolleyes:

Finally, it gives the shooters a good base to interact with their squad members. You can learn plenty when you work beside someone for the whole day! You can meet some nice people along the way, and make some new friends too. Where is the downside to all this?
 
there is no downside to patching while you're shooting, but having been to the Worlds a couple times now, it's also nice to just be able to shoot and think. If the option was there, I'd pay for that. Just like we pay for markers and target pullers in our rifle matches, when they are available. I don't know of anyone who actually complains about having to work, it's just a bonus if you don't have to.
 
I do not beleive the # of people who are talking like patching & setting steel is work. Work is setting up stages,tearing down, performing repairs to stages to keep the match running, RO'ing,score keeping. Patching etc. is simply propper manners on your part to help say thanks for all the work you did to set up & run this match so we could all enjoy it. That said I vote work and shoot seperate days. Having worked and shot on the same day before I find you can't get your head in the propper space shooting and working the same day. However I'm sure that some can.
 
doon said:
Sorry , but the purpose of this thread was to get preferences/opinions. Don't need attitude.
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Interesting how you can give it, but not take it very well. You seem to think that I live in a different world than you do. I didn't realize that there was anything other than the "real world" anyway. Perhaps you can enlighten the rest of us.

If you are less travelled, and less experienced, then why don't you listen to some of the input here instead of arguing about something you know less about? Or are you experienced, and want to contribute rather than telling people how smart they think they are?

It was just a point that the more experienced shooters "generally" have the same concesus. USPSA is not perfect, nor are it's competitors. Nobody has stated anything different on here. You can remain ignorant to the rest of the world's activities, but that doesn't solve any problems either.

You have read comments from at least 4 Master class shooters on this thread that have travelled and shot on either Provincial or National teams. There is a knowledge pool here....don't be afraid of the deep end.
 
[I]If you are less travelled, and less experienced, then why don't you listen to some of the input here instead of arguing about something you know less about? Or are you experienced, and want to contribute rather than telling people how smart they think they are?
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I did not think I was giving it until after your post. Perhaps I took offense to the way it was put. :confused::(:rolleyes:
 
40cal said:
Interesting how you can give it, but not take it very well. You seem to think that I live in a different world than you do. I didn't realize that there was anything other than the "real world" anyway. Perhaps you can enlighten the rest of us.

If you are less travelled, and less experienced, then why don't you listen to some of the input here instead of arguing about something you know less about? Or are you experienced, and want to contribute rather than telling people how smart they think they are?

It was just a point that the more experienced shooters "generally" have the same concesus. USPSA is not perfect, nor are it's competitors. Nobody has stated anything different on here. You can remain ignorant to the rest of the world's activities, but that doesn't solve any problems either.

You have read comments from at least 4 Master class shooters on this thread that have travelled and shot on either Provincial or National teams. There is a knowledge pool here....don't be afraid of the deep end.
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Not that you asked..but :cool:

I agree with almost everything you said ;)

I don't think the opinions of Mater class shooters are worth any more than the rest of us mere mortals...but what the hell do I know :confused:
 
Quigley said:
Not that you asked..but :cool:

I agree with almost everything you said ;)

I don't think the opinions of Mater class shooters are worth any more than the rest of us mere mortals...but what the hell do I know :confused:
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One could argue that simple shooters need more prep time before a stage ,to me makes no diffrence I just have fun :welcome::welcome:
 
I appreciate the kind words, 40cal, thanks.

I think doon has got a little beat up here - and I don't think anyone meant to, so it's important to point out that doon has been a regular sponsor of the Canadian Nationals for many years.
This year, he was one of the sponsors that we did not have to approach - He chased us to donate.

He's also extremely active in his section; an asset they need and enjoy. We could use more guys like doon.
 
I really dont mind "working" while shooting at the same time.If the squad is big enough(and at the major shoots they usually are),then there is still plenty of time to figure out the stage,load mags etc.

One thing that keeps me from going to some of the larger matches is that they end up being so drawn out over a few days in the work/shoot cycle that it makes it hard to find enough time to get away from work to attend these,let alone the extra expense of hotel rooms.If the same amount of shooting can be accomplished in a day or two less,all the better.Its also been my experience that during the half day of "work" at some of the matches,there is sometimes the ridiculous situation of 8 guys patching 6 targets,real waste of time.

Way back in the 80's we would occasionally recruit the local boy scouts for the shoot to patch,set popper etc.They all received a small amount of money at the end of the weekend.This worked really well,but I couldnt see that happening in this day and age!
 
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