First impression of a 2340

Colin

Colin

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Well I have had my 2340 for a few days now. It is a ex-LEO gun with nite-sights and an extended Fire Dragon barrel to comply with Canadian law. It’s also DAO. Cost was $399, with very little holster wear. A good deal as the barrel alone would have been $285. the gun was bought from Blueline who is a sponser here and the transaction went smoothly and quickly (6 working days from order to my house)

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First thing I noticed that with an empty mag the gun feels a bit front heavy. Trigger pull is close to the standard DA pull, but what I really noticed was the trigger reset is painfully looooong, not sure how well I will do double taps with this gun. Might try to find a DA/SA trigger for it, the whole hammer and springs assembly pops out as one unit and can be swapped easily. Next thing I did was to try out my holsters with it. Results are:

Gould and Goodrich IWB holster for 226 – NO
Blackhak Serpa for 226 – NO
Blackhak Serpa for 229 – NO
Blackhawk leather Pancake for 229 – Yes it will fit and cover the trigger but does not go in as far as the 229

The 226 and 229 mags will go in but not lock. In fact the 229 and 2340 mags appear to be identical except for the location of the mag release pin hole, it is slightly lower than the 229. The base plate is different as well.

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Stripping and assembly
From reading comments on sig forum, I was thinking it was some sort of black art to stripping a 2340, but for those of us that have owned a CZ or a HP you will find it 2nd nature, align the slot and push out the pin, do not use the slide release lever or you may bend it. After that, disassemble like a regular Sig for field stripping. A plus with the 2340, is that by pressing a tab in the back of the mag well, the entire grip slides off exposing the hammer mechanism making that easy to clean and no stripped screws to worry about!

The guts
I have to say Sig went to town with this gun, the polymer frame feels and looks very robust, the forward frame rails are part of the locking insert and all of the frame rails were quite beefy. Sig was not looking at minimizing weight at any price! Cleaning and lube was easy, and made a good improvement on the trigger pull.

Handling
I found I was able to pull the gun out of the pancake holster with a good grip everytime, it took some time to get good sight alignment as the weight is different than my other Sigs. I found the location and operation of the mag release to be excellent and mags dropped out easily, when loaded (dummy rds) or empty. I found the tumblehome slide a little odd and slightly harder to grip than my 226ST or 229Elite. The 2340 has Sig rails and precludes the use of my MX3 light, they do allow a slightly thinner frame and reduced depth over the standard rail setup. In my pancake holster the gun is comfortable to wear and not heavy. For CCW one could grind the finger lip off of the mag plate to reduce printing.

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I have yet to fire it, and it will be a few weeks before I can. I suspect it will shoot well, but I think my double taps will suck. I took some pictures with my 229 for comparison. I noted the 2340 is slightly longer in the slide and slightly taller with the mag in. I hope this will help anyone deciding on which Sig to get. I bought this gun because I didn’t to pay full price for another Sig, but I suspect I will breakdown and get a SP2022 at some point.

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Well took my 2340 to the range today. Let me get this out of my system:

DAO SUCKS IT REALLY SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!! :mad::mad::mad:

Okay, now I can talk. The DAO trigger is so freaking long, you start to thing you have a broken firing mechanism. How do the cops hit anything with this is beyond me. I started shooting with and by 50 rds my trigger finger was tired and my shooting was really bad, not helped by a 2 month hiatus from shooting. The gun seems to shoot low, but that might just be me. Another thing that bugged me was my pinky getting pinched between the grip and the front of the mag. The gun had some issues with my reloaded lead SWC, but fed RN and JHP fine. Likely due to the tighter chamber of the Fire Dragon barrel. I am going to look for a DA/SA firing mechanism for this gun, if not they aren’t priced to high, otherwise I will sell it and buy a SP2022 instead.
 
saskgunowner101 said:
It seems to me there was another thread about swapping out the trigger group for another (making it SA/DA capable) but IIRC, the cost was in the neighborhood of $300.
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I recall the same thing. Hard to obtain the parts too...

Sorry to hear that Colin. I too had high hopes for the 2340, but given the price I knew there might be a drawback. Its called DAO. Mine actually shoots quite nicely (groups) otherwise. It is just too crappy a trigger to really perform. I still wonder what Sig was thinking....

I would have sold mine long ago if I sold guns. It just sits in the safe most range trips. I hold out hope I too will find a trigger group to fix it.
 
do have several 226's, but did pick up a 2340 for a difference in shooting experience. polymer frame set up, not so much in reduced size, because it's not significant,

still a good gun i got at a good exchange with an excellent cgn'er, so no complaints there.

absolutely agree that the DAO is pain in the butt, will take many more rounds to get used to it, the only double taps i do well is with the venerable 1911. even a good revolver would

thought also about a drop in da/sa unit, but understand would have to go to manufacturer so i have just left it alone.

did not like the fact that with mag ejected, less hold on the front strap for all 4 fingers
and full mag eject is not consistent.

when thinning out the sigs, this would be the first one to go, so Colin, i'm sure you would not have a problem unloading it and still recover your cost. regards
 
Well I already had a sig 226,229 and 220, fondled the SP2022 and felt this was a good deal. Brownells sells the replacement parts for $186US, I just e-mailed FN sports to see if they have one. With a DA/SA trigger I suspect I would enjoy this gun quite a bit.
 
Colin, something to try with this gun would be to bring it out to the Speed Steel match at Mission in two weeks time. Being DAO you can shoot it in the "police DAO" class along with a few other LEO's that show up to get in some practice with their DAO service issue pistols.

Then at lunch you and the others in your class can sit and complain about why it is that LEA's insist on issuing DAO handguns.... :D
 
The DAO S&W semi I shot one time felt like a slightly less nice stock sprung S&W 19 or 28 if that helps. The real issue seems to be that a semi grip angle seems to not be as natural a pull line for the finger so I had to be smothly correcting my hand pressure to maintain the sight picture. We have to do that on our revolvers as well but not to the same extent. It wasn't bad if you pulled slowly but good freakin' luck if you're trying to send a lot of lead downrange accurately in a hurry.... like in a Speed Steel event.... :D

This is why the LEO's enjoy the separate class out there. It gives them a chance to practice with their DAO equipment in a low key, fast paced match that is more practical than their qualifier shooting.
 
The other thread was this one (or, one of them anyway):

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=345887

I was interested in buying a cheap SIG as well, but the trigger is pretty much a show stopper.

The SP2022's are very nice though. One thing about them that isn't raised that much in these conversations, the trigger reset is pretty short. If people don't like the "classic SIG" reset, this is one alternative. However, the SP2022 trigger is not as "crisp" as a nice well broken in classic SIG trigger though.

The DA/SA guns are worth buying in the $600 to $800 range. The DAO guns are just a joke though.
 
Colin said:
Well took my 2340 to the range today. Let me get this out of my system:

DAO SUCKS IT REALLY SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!! :mad::mad::mad:

Okay, now I can talk. The DAO trigger is so freaking long, you start to thing you have a broken firing mechanism. How do the cops hit anything with this is beyond me. I started shooting with and by 50 rds my trigger finger was tired and my shooting was really bad, not helped by a 2 month hiatus from shooting. The gun seems to shoot low, but that might just be me. Another thing that bugged me was my pinky getting pinched between the grip and the front of the mag. The gun had some issues with my reloaded lead SWC, but fed RN and JHP fine. Likely due to the tighter chamber of the Fire Dragon barrel. I am going to look for a DA/SA firing mechanism for this gun, if not they aren’t priced to high, otherwise I will sell it and buy a SP2022 instead.
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Not to hijack the thread, but misery does like company...I have similar issues with my Beretta 96D DAO...the trigger pull is quite long and fatigue sets in quickly...the result is I shoot my 40cal 226 much more than the Beretta. I think it was Jeff Cooper who said that DAO was a solution to a non-existant problem.
 
A spring kit to get some lighter springs and some carefull work on the action may well lighten and smoothen the pull enough that it's about like shooting a really nice double action revolver. If you can get it like that it would be pretty nice to shoot even as a DOA and a darn sight cheaper than swapping out the action.

I've shot a buddy's IPSC production class gun that he did a bunch of such mods on and the first DA shot requires just a hair over the 5 lbs of pull noted in the rules. You can pretty much put that first DA shot whereever you want it with only a little more attention compared to the following single action shots.
 
I've had my 2022 for 2 weeks now been shooting twice and it shoots really well, but its my first pistol so i have nothing to compare it to :)
About the pros shooting low ,
i was talking with some guys on the sig forums that seem to have the same thing, dont know yet if its us or the guns?
I like it because it fits my hand well(i have small hands) but now i heard the 229 is pretty much the same size(i think the 226 would be too big) as the 2022 so i might be looking to trade.
Oh and its DA/SA 9mm :cool:
 
Was thinking about getting a 2340 last May but thanks to Ghostie's previous post as well as observations and comments from owners - Maxpower & JDman, I nixed the idea for getting this "very affordable" Sig.
My new unused 2022 in .40 cal from another great CGN seller arrived Monday. Shot at the range today. Ammo used were my reloads of 200 grn. FMJ with a PF of 175+.

Fired a total of 50 rounds (Weaver stance - all from 15 yds.). The first two 10 round mags were fired all in DA to get used to the pull. Tactkewl mentioned the SigPro's tendency to shoot low. My aimpoint is usually 6 o'clock with my pistols and this particular piece is pretty much there. Did experience some low shots, mostly due to my getting used the the DA pull (bit longer than my 226). Colin is definitely right when he mentioned finger fatigue in DAO does creep in. BCrider can hopefully guide us SigPro owners to the source to get DA at 5lbs - that would be heaven!!!
Here is a pic of my last 10 rounds (interval of 1 second in between shots) - first shot in DA and the remaining in SA. First shot is the lowest.
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Compared to my 226, one feature which I find is a vast improvement is the much shorter travel for the safety hammer down lever. The larger caliber and the shorter barrel increased recovery time but nevertheless still am pleased with the end result. Its time to practise and dry fire even more.
Although not a major concern, Sig could have used metal for the spring guide rod rather than polymer. Looks like a toy part and apparantly does experience more wear than metal rods. Will be finding out soon enough after a couple of thousand rounds.
 
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