Rude land owners. Here we go again.

[350 Mag]

His land, his rules.

Scott

I think the government in Sask is going to change the rules on the farmers pretty soon...if NOT allready.

I heard a rumor that farmers claiming crop damage will be DENIED compensation if they post their land and refuse access to hunters.

I for one say it is about *** **** time that the government closes this loophole.

Some farmers receive HUGE compensation for Crop Damage but do NOT allow any type of hunting on their lands(meanwhile they are hunting it themselves with their buddies). There is also alot farmers charging access to their land which is illegal.

I hope the government finally puts an end to this B.S.

 

[Hoser-eh]

The landowner has every right, and maybe many reasons to say no.
Like hunters, some are polite, some are rude. Takes all kinds to make the world go 'round.

No means no, that's it, that's all.

 

[archie126]

I think the government in Sask is going to change the rules on the farmers pretty soon...if NOT allready.

I heard a rumor that farmers claiming crop damage will be DENIED compensation if they post their land and refuse access to hunters.

I for one say it is about *** **** time that the government closes this loophole.

Some farmers receive HUGE compensation for Crop Damage but do NOT allow any type of hunting on their lands(meanwhile they are hunting it themselves with their buddies). There is also alot farmers charging access to their land which is illegal.

I hope the government finally puts an end to this B.S.

So we complain about not having property rights, but when it suits us who cares about someone elses rights?

 

[CROWCA]

What have you done for the farmer,maybe money is tight,cow just died, you being up set is pretty petty.

Why would he let you hunt?????

You could have baled hay,cleaned some stales,did you take him any game(perhaps summer sausage),shoot some ground hogs?Shoot some pigeons.

If you don't have a relationship you might never get in.

Perhaps he doesn't like hunters.

 

[Karl]

I usually grant permission when asked because asking indicates a man's character. Lots of a**holes hunt on my land without asking.

 

[woodchopper]

So we complain about not having property rights, but when it suits us who cares about someone elses rights?

Well no they still have thr right to say no to hunters, but if they do then they cant claim that the deer and geese ate their crops and apply to get payed for the crop damage from the government.

 

[drvrage]

I think the government in Sask is going to change the rules on the farmers pretty soon...if NOT allready.

I heard a rumor that farmers claiming crop damage will be DENIED compensation if they post their land and refuse access to hunters.

I for one say it is about *** **** time that the government closes this loophole.

Some farmers receive HUGE compensation for Crop Damage but do NOT allow any type of hunting on their lands(meanwhile they are hunting it themselves with their buddies). There is also alot farmers charging access to their land which is illegal.

I hope the government finally puts an end to this B.S.

I don't understand what you insinuate about rules. How can it be illegal to charge someone for hunting on YOUR OWN land. SO it is illegal for me to open a hunting reserve? We have them in Ontario.

I also don't understand how someone claiming damages for crops, but won't won't let you hunt have anything to do with each other.

I don't understand why you think it is hypocritical for a landowner to hunt on his own land, but to deny you the right. I own my own home, and I refuse to let you live in it even when I'm away on business.

You disgust me. You understand nothign about property rights. Go find a communist country to live in. You ask for government to solve the problem of others owning land? If you approached me to hunt on my land, I would walk to the nearest jewelry store buy the biggest gaudiest and spikiest rings I can find, return to my home and PIMP slap you with my Liberace hand Komrade.

 

[Buffalo Creek Law Dog]

I post my land as no hunting because there are too many a$$holes who abuse the whole hunting thing. Shooting from the truck, shooting from your front driveway, driving through your yard etc. Spoke to the wildlife folks who say that most of the offenders of the hunting regs are from the city.

Figures.

 

[captonion]

The folks who owned the day hole were very nice but said they had too many hunters leaving gates open and making a mess so they don't allow no more hunting.

The farmer who owned the field, just said "NO!" and slammed the door in my face

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Thats what happens when hunters get lazy!!!

 

[H4831]

Better re-read the post..........the owner did more than just say no. The land owner obviously has every right to say no..........the way he comes across with it makes him an idiot.

There is a mighty fine line between "slamming" a door, and simply closing the door. Much depends on who is telling the story.

 

[cdill]

In order for farmers to receive crop damage from wildlife they must have taken out a provincial crop insurance contract. They pay a premium fee for crop insurance and it covers many perils including wildlife damage. Where is the injustice in this? It is like any other insurance contract except that the Fed & Prov govts underwrite it so that it is partly funded with public dollars and thus making it cheaper for producers.

Perhaps increased hunting of wildlife as a program would make sense in order to reduce costs for wildlife damage compensation. But on the other hand there are Fed-Prov funded programs for producers in certain provinces for the sole purpose of scaring wildlife. Mostly it involves guys riding on ATVs scaring waterfowl. Now this is a politically correct option, and is mostly used in cases where endangered species are involved (ie. snow geese).

Bottom line is that the land is owned by a private individual and they can decide if there is hunting on that property by others, themselves or not at all. That is a basic concept of private property rights - the owner pays big bucks to buy it and they get the right to decide the use of the property. Pretty simple concept really.

CD

 

['Boo]

Much depends on who is telling the story.

Ain't that the truth!!

 

[pottsy]

I just got home from scouting a great goose shoot. The barley field they were feeding and also found the day hole they were using.

The folks who owned the day hole were very nice but said they had too many hunters leaving gates open and making a mess so they don't allow no more hunting.

The farmer who owned the field, just said "NO!" and slammed the door in my face

I am super polite and know how to ask for permission, I get positive results frequently, but this guy... wow.

He was within his rights, but that don't make it right. IMHO.

Well his being rude may have been un-necessary you are quite correct that it is his right. There is a good chance he has had plenty of poor experiences with hunters. Maybe to him a knock on the door from a hunter is the equivelent to the reaction of many to the knock on the door from a JoHo.

OR perhaps he saw you wandering around his private property scouting 'holes' and wasn't impressed.

 

[H4831]

Want some good advice from someone who has access to hundreds of properties?

Go in May or June and scout crops, not geese! Most guys get tired of everyone showing up and asking when they see birds at seasons start. This is busy time for people who have to harvest crops for a living and they just don't have the time it takes to make a repore with you. Introduce yourself with a handshake and tell them why you are there. Don't dress in camo or old beater clothes full of holes and shirts with obnoxious funnies. Be polite and don't be in a hurry to leave, stay and spend some time shooting the breeze, most farmers love to talk shop, learn something about it. Ask what his rules are, tell him you will stop by when you spot birds to double check it's ok. Ask if they enjoy game meat and if they say no ask what you may give in return to show your appreciation. And be sincere, we can all spot a phoney or an opportunist a mile away. I have turned many no's to yes's over the years. Go back every year, sometimes persistence pays off. And don't be afraid to provide references from other area farmers if you know some whose lands you hunt. And alawyas obey their rules, clean up behind yourself, we even pick up the wads from the shotshells as well as the empty hulls and pay close attention to how gates are closed properly ans where safe shooting lanes are.And we always go to the door and say thank you after!

I too, have had very good relations with farmers over the years. I certainly agree with your posting. If there is anything to add, it is to be able to talk the language of the farmer and be interested in his operation. I have had a rural background, so it comes easy for me.
The funniest inccident regarding this was at a strange farm I stopped at. I soon learned he had built a home built aircraft and when I showed interest he took me to his shop to show it to me. He had a private licence, but his flying had all been on trycycle under carriage aircraft. The one he built had a tail wheel, commonly called tail draggers, and they are much more difficult to take off and land. He was concerned about test flying it.
I had been a commercial pilot and also instructed, mostly with tail dragger aircraft. I went through the whole thing with him, what to look for, what he could expect and hopefully, how to get it up and down safely. He was very pleased and said he had learned a lot.
"Oh, did you say you wanted to hunt?"

 

[woodchopper]

just a note, you cannot post "no hunting" and then go hunting on the land yourself

you can post "no hunting without permission" then your good to go.

you own the land not the wild game that lives there.

 

[pottsy]

I think the government in Sask is going to change the rules on the farmers pretty soon...if NOT allready.

I heard a rumor that farmers claiming crop damage will be DENIED compensation if they post their land and refuse access to hunters.

I for one say it is about *** **** time that the government closes this loophole.

Some farmers receive HUGE compensation for Crop Damage but do NOT allow any type of hunting on their lands(meanwhile they are hunting it themselves with their buddies). There is also alot farmers charging access to their land which is illegal.

I hope the government finally puts an end to this B.S.

Buy your own f**King land then.

You seriously figure that farmers that don't allow hunters they don't know or want on their land tshould be denied crop compensation? That is F**King retarded.

 

[pottsy]

just a note, you cannot post "no hunting" and then go hunting on the land yourself

you can post "no hunting without permission" then your good to go.

you own the land not the wild game that lives there.

What? Must be an Alberta specific rule... sure isn't the case in Ontario.

 

[bronco_mudder]

I think the government in Sask is going to change the rules on the farmers pretty soon...if NOT allready.

I heard a rumor that farmers claiming crop damage will be DENIED compensation if they post their land and refuse access to hunters.

I for one say it is about *** **** time that the government closes this loophole.

Some farmers receive HUGE compensation for Crop Damage but do NOT allow any type of hunting on their lands(meanwhile they are hunting it themselves with their buddies). There is also alot farmers charging access to their land which is illegal.

I hope the government finally puts an end to this B.S.

So if the government makes me allow hunters on my land, who is going to pay me for damages to crops and property caused by the hunters?

 

[woodchopper]

Buy your own f**King land then.

You seriously figure that farmers that don't allow hunters they don't know or want on their land tshould be denied crop compensation? That is F**King retarded.

It's going to be hard to prove that you didn't allow hunting when you make a claim, unless you have no hunting signs plastered everywhere. But as a I posted before no hunting without permission is fine.

and there is nothing to say who the land owner lets on their land to hunt, you can still say no.

The point is the landowner does not own the wild game, or for that mater the subsurface minerals. If an oil company wants to drill on your land you don't have much choice, they pay you an access fee and damages and you can take what they offer or go to court and lose, you don't own the mineral rights and have to provide reasonable access to the ol company that has purchaced them fromteh government.

Personally I think any legislation on hunting is not going to be enforceable, but it will encourage more landowners to allow limited hunting on their land. There is an issue with deer overpopulation and CWD. The next step is a deer cull and then the wildlife officers will go on your land and just shoot every deer they see, or use helicopters and shoot them from the air. Then there is the issue of disposal of the dead animals.

Would cause a lot less media stink if hunters could decrease the population.

 

[snowhunter]

So far, I have never meet an unfriendly farmers/ranchers, and very few have denied me to hunt on their property, and even been invited for dinner at the end of the hunt. I always respect the landowner and property. Simple.

The few problems I have enountered on crown land around private land, has not been the landowners, but power tripping ranch hand/property managers, who did not think I knew the property lines well enough. One tried to kick me off the public KVR rail line around Princeton B.C., and when I pulled out my cell phone to call police, he took off.