SKS accuracy capable of MOA?

MiG25 said:
if that is the case, how come the technical colleges here are (at least they were in the 90's) full of russians and others from the ex soviet union?

i cannot comment on their school system or literacy rates, but historically no one has shown as little regard for the russian/soviet soldier as their own leadership.
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As far as russian school goes it is really different.... grade 6-7 there would be compared to grade 11-12 here.. and i'll be a witness to that.... i was 16 years old back in 1997 wen we moved from Russia to Canada, by that time i have completed the High school and first year of University .. and then when i came here, couldn't speak English , they put me in grade 12 highschool...where i had a blast... :) never had to do homework... since it was all well known material from few years back :) and since i didnt have too many russian friends English cought up to me in less than a year...:)

And as for technical colleges ... yes you are right.. there are a lot of Russian people that are forced to go to college or university here... for one simple reason.... Canada doesn't really accept other country's diplomas.. there fore you see ex-doctors, ex-engineers working on construction sites , and restorantes... and the fortunate ones get to redo their school and get local licenses and such......
 
MiG25 said:
i cannot comment on their school system or literacy rates, but historically no one has shown as little regard for the russian/soviet soldier as their own leadership.
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i would like to add.... illiterate has nothing to do with russians... it is common mistake.. the thing is that the Russia is so huge, that if you proportionally calculate the amount of illiterate people there to the whole population of russia... i dont even know if Canada will have better rates.... :)

And i do agree.... that russian leaders (back in a day) showed very little regard to the soldiers... the main idea was to win the War... 27 million russians died during WWII ... 3 million only in a battle for Stalingrad........:mad:
i get freaking goosbumps just thinking about it.......
 
years ago I shot this target at 200 yards using a Norinco SKS and handloads. I was really just trying to see if the accuracy was good enough for deer, and it is.

I'd like to try out one of those Russian ones, throw a scope on it and bed it and handload for it and see what happens.:)
 
zupermann said:
I've never had good luck with the three that I've owned at one time or another...all 5-6 moa (or more) shooters (with 3 shot groups!!!!). Part of it may have been the poor stock fit for me, but even from the bench, it was a bullet hose. Makes me wonder the point of putting a scope on it, like I've seen some people do.

On the other hand, credible people I've talked to/known have seen SKS's that do as little as 2-3 moa. But this would be like finding a 4 leaf clover!
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I have a Yugo and two Russian refurb SKS rifles. I can put 20 rounds of Czech surplus in to 6" from a rest with moderately rapid fire (under 4 minutes including 3 reloads) from any of them. If I shoot more slowly, rest my eyes, cool the barrel, etc I can get it under 5". I have shot handloads with good Lapua bullets in a Norc SKS that I don't have anymore and in slow fire could get 3" groups (way different impact point than the surplus, tho).

I've tried the receiver cover scope mounts and can't shoot any better with them due to the movement of the receiver cover. I've read that the mounts with positioning bolts on the side to stop the play are a bit better.

I'm satisfied with mine, I wouldn't part with them.
 
i have personally shot a 3" 5 shot 100M group with my 1950 tula refurb and my friend who is much better with iron sights made a 4 shot cloverleaf with the fifth round about 1.5" high right (cheap corrosive surplus)... some SKS's are shooters and others are not... he has a few chinese SKS's and they dont even come close.
 
I have only ever tried a Norincrap SKS, and no word of a lie, at 50m, my shotgun was more accurate throwing slugs out of a smooth tube; the "groups" were approximately 6-8".. again, at 50m, as the 8.5x11 paper target was not achievable at 100m, where my $25 Lee Enfield was punching 2" groups.

That said, I am eager to obtain a Russian, and see how she does!
 
First brand new Chinese rifle that came through the shop, I glass bedded, similar to the way a M-1 or M-14 would be bedded. It shot really well, about 2 1/2 minutes. Sights are crude and the trigger doesn't help, of course.
 
I acquired a brand new unfired Chinese SKS with a spike bayonet from an old timer (unbelievebly good deal :D). Cleaned it twice before I brought it to the range. The mil surplus ammo did an average job (3-4 inches). Surprise! Then I sighted it in with my handload 123 gr Hornady SP at 100 M. Here is the result:

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The lower hole was my fault obviously, not the gun's. I aimed a little low on the third shot. A guy who was shooting beside me said he would take SKS any time over his POS Enfield. He's a good shooter too.
 
BTW, I've found with my handload the bullet drops quite a bit at 200 m with my handload. I'd say around 8 inches. I compared my handload with mil surp ammo and got mixed results in regards to dropping. Some batches of mil surp are definitely hotter than my handload, while some are not.
 
As soon as I can find some Reloader 7 on this Island I'm going to reload some 123 grain Hornadys and see what comes of it.

I have Arsenal primers, cases, Lee dies with crimper and bullets, but no fricken powder. :(
 
Here is a target from today.
100yrds from a bench and rest
Ammo: Surplus FMJ Corrosive. I think it is S&B, green boxes on stripper clips
Rifle: Russian SKS (1951) open military sights
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While it is not MOA it is still pretty darn good for a surplus rifle with surplus ammo, open sights and crappy trigger.
It is minute of western imperialist dog, just as it was designed.
 
98%Brent said:
A buddy told me that the SKS is capable on MOA accuracy but after shooting a couple of hundred rounds through mine, my rifle seems a little sloppy. Does anyone know of or should say have seen anything close to this?

My rifle is a real hoot to shoot and love the SKS but feel the 1" at 100 yards is a bit of a stretch. I'd welcome any comments you might have if they are based on personal experiance.
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I do not know your buddy, and do not wish to cast aspersions, but I would suggest that:

A) He's yanking your chain intentionally; or,
B) He's deluded himself; or,
C) He was EXCEEDINGLY lucky in his experience with an SKS.

I will not say that it is not POSSIBLE that an SKS could shoot MOA, but I would suggest that the likelihood is less than that of sensible gun laws being drafted in Britain, in my lifetime.

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i still dont get what is MOA(minute of angle...?)... :) but here are my results SKS...at 100 yards with 8x42 POSP scope...


The 2" group... is of a bench w/bipod , and the other 5 shots are standing up unsupported.... :) not bad ....ha?
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Typical accuracy for me is around 4 inches, I was sighting my new to me (its 60 years old and I shot this group. Which I did have one called flyer.
The one on the right is more indicative and I posted earlier with cast bullets. But I was surprised with this group which would be close to MOA. I guess every dog has its day.
100 Yards chec surplus 3 degrees celcius no wind slight rain. Stock sights. Perfect day to be shooting:)

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the right side is more typical

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removed the flyer
 
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