590A1 or 870??

The 590A1 is a tank of a shotgun. I have the 20" barreled version and the 18 1/2" version. I much prefer the 18 1/2" for portability, plus I can put 835 barrels on it for hunting.(Do not use 3 1/2" shells if you do though).
 
Search 'Nutnfancy combat shotgun review' on youtube. He does pretty indepth reviews on both shotguns side by side. He also has reviews on tones of other guns, knives, tactical gear and the like.
 
I have fired many shotguns in the past and this would be my firs shotgun that I will be owning.

Here is what I'm looking for.

8+1 capacity
Ghost-ring sights
No pistol grip ( I prefer the more traditional stock)
Good supply of aftermarket parts (follower, mag. extension, side saddle, sling ect)

The use for the gun would be quite wide. I will be using it when camping, target shooting, hunting, and home defense (god forbid). I want to be able to fire all manner of buck shot and slugs through it as well. Basically I want this firearm to be as versatile as I can possible make it.

i will probably get flamed for this but if you intend to use this for hunting or shooting clays, you should not get a tactical gun with an 8 shot mag, ghost rings, etc. ghost rings are not some magic solution that is good for any situation - they are just one type of sight that is great for some things (shooting slugs, on bush guns, turkey, etc) but theyre not so great for shooting clays or hunting (unless youre shooting slugs or turkey loads). now heres where someone inevitably chimes in with 'ive been duck hunting for years with ghost rings', but the fact remains that they are far from ideal for it. there is a reason the simple bead sight has endured for a couple hundred years.

i think you are going about it the wrong way -- one of the biggest advantages of shotguns like the 870 and 500/590 are the fact that they are so flexible and you can adapt them easily to different tasks by simply swapping barrels and/or chokes. both of these advantages will be severely diminished in your tactical gun. im not saying DONT GET A TACTICAL GUN -- so calm down and read on :D

if you want ONE 'all-purpose' gun, itll be expensive and annoying to adapt a tactical extended mag tube/ghost ring shotgun to all of these different tasks. most tactical guns arent threaded for chokes, and a lack of choke selection severely limits what you can do with a shotgun. getting them tapped for chokes is more expensive than it initially seems (if you can do it - for example Benellis have chrome lined bores and you cant) because not only are you paying for the gunsmiths time (~$100) but youll also have to buy all your chokes, which adds up. for just a bit more than the cost of threading a barrel + buying a set of chokes you could just buy a second budget shotgun that includes a set of chokes and use that for hunting.

youll find that if you buy a shotgun with an extended magazine tube, you wont be able to just pick up any take-off barrel off the EE - youll have to use barrels that are also from extended mag tube guns, which are a lot harder to find. so there goes the second advantage of a shotgun. there are tonnes of 870 take-off barrels in the EE as low as $100 each because people buy 870s for projects and get rid of the factory barrel, or buy combo kits with 2-3 barrels and then sell the ones they dont need, so they are a lot more available. barrels that fit extended mag tubes are much more rare.
one advantage to the Mossberg 500 is that you can simply unscrew the 8 shot mag tube from the receiver, screw in a standard length mag tube, and use any barrel. youre looking at about $20 in the states for a used standard length mossy 500 magazine tube+spring. you cant do this with the 870 because the mag tube is brazed in.
but keep in mind that even if you could switch barrels, theres the matter of the rear ghost ring sight sitting on your receiver thats blocking your sighting plane. i suppose you could just unscrew it, but then you lose your zero - are you starting to see how one tactical shotgun isnt such a great idea?

oh and then theres other little issues that can pop up - i had to fabricate my own magazine plug for my Mossberg 500 Persuader just to make it legal for hunting because i couldnt find one anywhere for the extended magazine.

you would be better off either buying a standard mag tube length bead sight 870 and then picking up all your tactical stuff like 2-shot mag extension, 18" barrel, etc for it,
OR
an even better idea would be to buy two shotguns: perhaps a 'tactical' 8+1 shot 870 with ghost rings, and then also grab a Mossberg 500 Field or Field Combo for $250-300 that will suit all your hunting needs. you could squeeze both into your $1000 budget, and it would also give you some firsthand experience in the whole '870 or 500?' debate. yeah a Mossberg 500 Field isnt exactly a 590, but its pretty much the same action. or for a bit more money instead of the mossberg you could get something like a Remington SPR 453.

so before the tactical crowd gets their panties in a bunch please understand im not saying 'dont buy tactical guns', simply that often its more practical and less expensive to buy two shotguns than it is to adapt one ghost-ring tactical shotgun with a fixed choke into an all-purpose gun.
 
I like the 590A1 myself,
It feeds any ammo, built like a tank, miltary approved, needs no mods.

Remington, ammo picky, kinda cheaply made, lots of mods available.
 
I like the 590A1 myself,
It feeds any ammo, built like a tank, miltary approved, needs no mods.

Remington, ammo picky, kinda cheaply made, lots of mods available.

LOL.......

My 870 Police Magnum can eat an ammo and is built way better than the Mossberg 590A1. The 870 is in use with way more military and law enforcement agencies.

Mods are good. I can quickly and easily switch from the 12.5" barrel to a field barrel as needed with my 870. Try doing that with your "built like a brick" 590.
 
I like the 590A1 myself,
It feeds any ammo, built like a tank, miltary approved, needs no mods.

Remington, ammo picky, kinda cheaply made, lots of mods available.

????
You compared a specific model from Mossberg to the entire Remington line. The 870P is on a par with the 590A1 and definitely the better choice at least in terms of available accessories/mods/options (try finding a 14" barrel for the 590A1) etc... As far as reliability you will probably find as many advocates for either the 590A1 or 870P.
 
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You compared a specific model from Mossberg to the entire Remington line. The 870P is on a par with the 590A1 and definitely the better choice at least in terms of available accessories/mods/options (try finding a 14" barrel for the 590A1) etc... As far as reliability you will probably find as many advocates for either the 590A1 or 870P.

IMHO the two main disadvantages of the 870 are the soldered-in mag tube and the riveted ejector. i dont understand why they dont just do a minor redesign, thread the receiver and use a threaded mag tube like the Mossberg and use a screw to secure a slightly redesigned ejector. this would make so much more sense, and would make the 870 hands down the better gun. there is the tang safety vs old crossbolt safety debate, but IMO this is not such a big deal as some people make it out to be :rolleyes:

as it stands, i prefer the 870 but the comments that the tactical 870s are just a modified bird-gun and the mossy 590 was designed as a fighting weapon do hold some merit. if anything breaks or is damaged on a 500/590 it can be replaced quite easily in the field, not so with the 870 which often requires a gunsmith.

that said i currently have three 870s, and sold my mossbergs, so that says something about which i prefer -- but i am not a soldier.
 
I've had a 590 for quite some time and love it. It has the speed stock for extra shells, a side saddle for extra shells 8+1 capacity. It's well balanced a really good shooter. The cotrols are all in the right spot easy to manipulate.

Most of the people around me had/have 870's and always rode my ass about it - but during practical shotgun matches I won, so you do the math.
 
It comes down to what you want,

if you know exactly what that is,mossberg has it covered,with like 325 guns and 95 models.

If you're not sure,maybe this week,you want along barrel, and next week you want to be "tactical" and the week after you want "old school" then get the remmy 870,It's for poeple who aren't sure what they want.:p
 
there is the tang safety vs old crossbolt safety debate, but IMO this is not such a big deal as some people make it out to be :rolleyes:

Never did understand the debate - especially when one considers the various pistol grips the Mossies come with from the factory.

I can disengage the safety on an 870 with the inside of my finger while going for the trigger with either a straight stock or pistol grip.

You can get left handed cross bolt safeties that allow you to do the same if you are a south paw.

Thumb safety has advantages when using a straight stock for either left or right handed person. However, go to a pistol grip stock and you will have to break your grip on the gun to enable your firing hand thumb to disengage safety. You then have to re acquire the grip in order to fire.
How is this manual of arms better/faster than disengaging the safety while moving to the trigger without having to regrip the shotgun?

L
 
Never did understand the debate - especially when one considers the various pistol grips the Mossies come with from the factory.

I can disengage the safety on an 870 with the inside of my finger while going for the trigger with either a straight stock or pistol grip.

You can get left handed cross bolt safeties that allow you to do the same if you are a south paw.

Thumb safety has advantages when using a straight stock for either left or right handed person. However, go to a pistol grip stock and you will have to break your grip on the gun to enable your firing hand thumb to disengage safety. You then have to re acquire the grip in order to fire.
How is this manual of arms better/faster than disengaging the safety while moving to the trigger without having to regrip the shotgun?

L

Or you can use your off-hand to disengage the safety and not change you firing hand grip at all.

Like he said ,its not as big a deal as some poeple make it out to be.
 
LOL.......

My 870 Police Magnum can eat an ammo and is built way better than the Mossberg 590A1. The 870 is in use with way more military and law enforcement agencies.

Mods are good. I can quickly and easily switch from the 12.5" barrel to a field barrel as needed with my 870. Try doing that with your "built like a brick" 590.

My 870 wouldn't shoot cheap ammo, My 590 shot ANY ammo. It wasn't just mine, LOL. I have read and seen it with other 870's.
Out of the box the 590 wins hands down.

A 590A1 needs no mods.......:D
 
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You compared a specific model from Mossberg to the entire Remington line. The 870P is on a par with the 590A1 and definitely the better choice at least in terms of available accessories/mods/options (try finding a 14" barrel for the 590A1) etc... As far as reliability you will probably find as many advocates for either the 590A1 or 870P.

Actually I compared it to just the 870.

Is that all the 870 guys have,? "I can put a 14" barrel on mine" :p
 
Play nice guys :p

I appreciate all the input into this matter.
As for getting a shotgun for each intended use I do plan on doing this but I want something that is very versatile and CAN fill the rolls stated if need be.
I will most likely not hunt with the shotgun as I have been looking at some other options for that but I want to cover as many bases as I can.
I think that I will go with the Remington 870 Express Tactical in the 20" configuration. Its a reasonable price point, the quality seems to be on par with other similar shotguns, the action felt great and the support for the firearm is huge.
Still might pick up the 590A1 SPX tho :p Its to hard to say no. I just have to convince my wife that we NEED more shotguns. I don't think it will be to hard tho she has fallen in love with shotguns thanks to COD WAW Zombie maps :p

Thanks,
Tim
 
Never did understand the debate - especially when one considers the various pistol grips the Mossies come with from the factory.

I can disengage the safety on an 870 with the inside of my finger while going for the trigger with either a straight stock or pistol grip.

You can get left handed cross bolt safeties that allow you to do the same if you are a south paw.

Thumb safety has advantages when using a straight stock for either left or right handed person. However, go to a pistol grip stock and you will have to break your grip on the gun to enable your firing hand thumb to disengage safety. You then have to re acquire the grip in order to fire.
How is this manual of arms better/faster than disengaging the safety while moving to the trigger without having to regrip the shotgun?

L


The advantages of a tang safety are very much dependent on the type of shooting one engages. For the hunter/plinker its not a big issue if the shotgun has either the tang or cross bolt. for competitive shooters, MIL/LE or those who train. The tang safety is the only way to go when ambidextrous controls are a must. You're right, the tang safety and a pistol grip stock are a poor combination. That being said, pistol grip stocks are a poor choice. To each their own.

TDC

ETA: There are other advantages to the Mossberg over the Remington as well. Again, dependent on the type of shooting.
 
I haven't read all the post so I'll just give my two cents.

I've owned both. They are both great guns and I would trust my life to either one (590/870).

Currently I have only an 870. I decided I'd prefer one base model that could do many things and the 590 couldn't do that. My current 870 has a 20" and a 14" barrel for 3 Gun shoots and backpacking. I can swap barrels, mag tube extensions, etc back and forth and have a Wilson Combat front sight on both barrels to match the one on the reciever. Since I use pistol grip'ed stocks the tang safety was a pain on the 590 as well. With a regular stock it's a non-issue.

I appreciate all the input into this matter.
As for getting a shotgun for each intended use I do plan on doing this but I want something that is very versatile and CAN fill the rolls stated if need be.

Pistol grips, yes. Almost useless for most applications. Full length stocks with a pistol grip are fantastic for most applications.

That being said, pistol grip stocks are a poor choice.
 
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