What can LE/Mil Personel own?

I always thought it was funny that we (mil pers) are trained, proficient, and qualified in the safe use of fully automatic and explosive-projectile weaponry, but can't own semi-auto rifles if they were made for military use (unless you have a prohibited licence), like the FN FAL or an AK variant, etc. The silliest part is that we can't acquire that licence through any conventional means.

Though, after some thought, I realized that most the owners that have a prohibited licence is because they own a firearm that at one point became prohibited and they're licence level had to change to reflect their ownership. So, basically, if they ever make ARs prohibited, wouldn't that mean we all who own one would get a prohibited classified licence upgrade? I may be wrong here, but that's what I've gathered.
 
Demon971 said:
I always thought it was funny that we (mil pers) are trained, proficient, and qualified in the safe use of fully automatic and explosive-projectile weaponry, but can't own semi-auto rifles if they were made for military use (unless you have a prohibited licence), like the FN FAL or an AK variant, etc. The silliest part is that we can't acquire that licence through any conventional means.
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I always thought the same thing, I can fire the Carl G, M72, C6, C9, C7, but I still have to pass a civy test to get a PAL... I honestly think there should be an excemption for soldiers. We do our own version of the course.
 
MatthewMarchand said:
I always thought the same thing, I can fire the Carl G, M72, C6, C9, C7, but I still have to pass a civy test to get a PAL... I honestly think there should be an excemption for soldiers. We do our own version of the course.
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LOL, yeah. Well, I sort of did. I (along with a number from my unit) challenged for our RPAL, and lucky for us, we had an ex-infanteer as our instructor/tester. He made the process as painless as possible. So in a way, we got an excemption from the normal means. Nonetheless, still the same stipulations as anyone else.
 
hbean said:
My infomation was given to me by a member of the Vancouver police who was sitting beside me during my PAL\RPAL course, when I first heard I thought it was silly, so I aked a friend who is member of Richmond RCMP detachment who confirmed the story.

His assigned firearm is locked in his office drawer when he goes home everynight. Just like when he graduated from depot, he was given his duty ammo to take back home, but the firearm was shipped via courier to his detachment. The only person in his detachment that was allow to take his firearm home is the detachment shooting instructor, who had all his paper work just like you and I.
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The firearm was shipped to his detachment after Depot because he flew to his hometown then flew or drove to his posting.

Is your buddy on call all the time? If not then his commander most likely doesn't think he needs his pistol at home. On call members take their pistols and sometimes police cars home so they are ready to roll when the cell phone rings. That's my experience but I'm new and don't know everything.
 
Demon971 said:
I always thought it was funny that we (mil pers) are trained, proficient, and qualified in the safe use of fully automatic and explosive-projectile weaponry, but can't own semi-auto rifles if they were made for military use (unless you have a prohibited licence), like the FN FAL or an AK variant, etc. The silliest part is that we can't acquire that licence through any conventional means.

Though, after some thought, I realized that most the owners that have a prohibited licence is because they own a firearm that at one point became prohibited and they're licence level had to change to reflect their ownership. So, basically, if they ever make ARs prohibited, wouldn't that mean we all who own one would get a prohibited classified licence upgrade? I may be wrong here, but that's what I've gathered.
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If they DID make them grandfathered (and not all prohibited firearms were), you still wouldn't be able to shoot them, they would probably be in a new 12.x category (so you wouldn't be able to buy AK's), the value would instantly plummet and anyone not old or rich enough at the time will be locked out.

I'm only 22. I'm missing out on SO MUCH cool #### it's not even remotely funny. The only good thing to come of this is the sense of responsibility towards the future generations that I've come to understand. We need to push back.
 
As the OP's original question, there are quite a few reputable dealers that give MIL/LE discounts on firearms and gear. The ones that do however, will require proper documentaion (usually official letter head and photo ID) to start the transaction.

As to MIL/LE carrying while "off duty", both can and do under certain circumstances, situation dictates.
 
bluesclues said:
As the OP's original question, there are quite a few reputable dealers that give MIL/LE discounts on firearms and gear. The ones that do however, will require proper documentaion (usually official letter head and photo ID) to start the transaction.

As to MIL/LE carrying while "off duty", both can and do under certain circumstances, situation dictates.
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or email them through your work address. (Check out Armseast they give Military discounts and Walter is great to deal with)
 
Thanks

That helps a lot. Its really too bad that some of these threads deteriorate so quickly. I guess decorum and consideration are things of the past.

You know, anytime someone asks me about any firearms related question I answer if I know or refer when I do not. There are a lot of people who are new to certain subjects and the best way to learn, I thought, was to ask a question here.

Unfortunately there are some in this community that are only too quick to point out how ridiculous (to them any way) your question may be based on their infinite depth of firearms knowledge and punctuated by their disdain for any question not deemed worthy of asking. I am sure they occupy positions of great importance.

Thanks for all your help.
 
FWIW, I don't think it is this site, but rather the itarweb in general. You will always get an answer here, but as you have seen you may need to wade through some crap to get it.
 
Griffoneur said:
This is pretty much 100% dead on. Here in Quebecistan, if the CFO was to catch an off duty LEO with a handgun, it's bye-bye pension, bye-bye job, hello criminal record!
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Wrong, CFO has nothing to do with it.

Departemental policies and "loi de police du Québec".

It all depends when your dept. considers you on duty. Some says it's 24/24, 365 days/year, some see it differently.
 
Prestwich said:
Your buddy is a complete IDIOT. I am GLAD that he is having trouble getting permission to practice with you at YOUR range. Why you would take him is beyond me. I could not hang around with someone who thinks he is so much better than me, or that his life is that much more important than mine. I hope you charge him a HEFTY premium for the ammo. I guess you must also load his gun for him, stand right over him when he shoots since you are not allowed to give ammo to someone without a PAL unless they are under your DIRECT supervision.
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Pfft. I ain't loading his gun. He's my #####. ;)

All kidding aside, he is a bit of a knob about the CCW thing, but he's getting better. He's known me for a long long time (used to work for me) and he knows I'm a professional, reasonable person. So when I tell him something about guns he thinks about it. Not to worry I'll get him sorted out one of these days. That's one reason I want to get him to the range, get him exposed to more gun owners and see how things really work.

It's not so much that he thinks he's better than civies he just thinks it's a bad idea to have more people carrying guns around. Considering the sorts of people he generally runs into who are carrying guns I can't blame him much. Just doesn't know much about civilian CCW and how it works in places where it's allowed.

I did get him with a good line. He pointed out that the problem with me carrying a firearm is that I don't have proper training to prevent someone from disarming me in a fight. I pointed out that a) cops get their guns taken away from them and b) I can certainly get retention training and c) if I have CCW and I draw on someone and they attempt to disarm me, I'm quite likely to simply shoot them with said firearm and solve the problem. He didn't really have an answer for that one.
 
themarauder said:
It's not so much that he thinks he's better than civies he just thinks it's a bad idea to have more people carrying guns around. Considering the sorts of people he generally runs into who are carrying guns I can't blame him much. Just doesn't know much about civilian CCW and how it works in places where it's allowed.
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That's just the thing: Any LEO should realize that the bad people are carrying anyways, with or without a CCW permit. My personal dealings with the criminal underworld have made it clear that it's really easy to get a gun on the street AND that bad guys (especially gang members, let's face it, they feel they have to protect themselves from the rival gang members who are packing), especially it seems those who are specifically prohibited from having firearms, will still have them. If there were such a thing as widespread CCW permits in Canada, the bad guys still wouldn't be able to get one so they wouldn't be braking the law any more or any less. The only people affected by the lack of such a law are good people. Heck, there's an argument to be made that if there were a CCW law and cops really had to assume subject they're dealing with have a gun on them, they might be more cautious which isn't a bad thing.

The difference would be that granny could protect her purse from a snatcher by shooting him. Canadian law doesn't allow for use of deadly force for protection of property, only one's own life or limb, so a lot of good people would ostensibly get charged with homicide for killing someone who was trying to victimize them. Face it, bad guys got it too easy.
 
On the military side...nope, sorry. Guns stay at work, no special privileges. I can take out my 30 round mag and shoot my C7 full auto (in accordance with numerous firing programs and regulations, of course) wearing the uniform. When I go home and pick up my AR-15, I can only load the 5/30 magazine (once I am at an approved range, of course).
 
hbean said:
My infomation was given to me by a member of the Vancouver police who was sitting beside me during my PAL\RPAL course, when I first heard I thought it was silly, so I aked a friend who is member of Richmond RCMP detachment who confirmed the story.

His assigned firearm is locked in his office drawer when he goes home everynight. Just like when he graduated from depot, he was given his duty ammo to take back home, but the firearm was shipped via courier to his detachment. The only person in his detachment that was allow to take his firearm home is the detachment shooting instructor, who had all his paper work just like you and I.
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This is a half truth...Officers may leave they weapon at work with the rest of there tools, However, it doesn't mean they have to. Any officer can take his weapon home and should follow proper transportation rules - Either stored properly or carried (Think of the plain clothes units)

It's a matter of choice more so then "Have to" leave it at work.
 
Both of mt LEO friends who carry to and from work and "off duty" are on call with department pagers/cell phones. One time when my cell phone was dead, the LEO let me use his department cell phone. I threatened to make a long distance call to recover my tax dollars. :) I have also shot their duty weapons under their supervision at the range where I am a member and I assume the bullets in the mag were my tax dollars since neither LEO have PAL's and I've never seen them buy ammo. The RCMP 5946 is not as nice to shoot as a factory Glock 17.
 
Military can get the discounted rate with Brownell's.

We don't get any special privileges when it comes to the FA, except while on duty. A few years back when I was with the Brigade pistol team we did get to use the EPS indoor pistol range downtown.
 
MatthewMarchand said:
I always thought the same thing, I can fire the Carl G, M72, C6, C9, C7, but I still have to pass a civy test to get a PAL... I honestly think there should be an excemption for soldiers. We do our own version of the course.
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I completely disagree. What is allowed in the military world is NOT safe on civilian ranges. It's possible that lots of soldiers would be safe and proficient, but I (and I'm sure many others) have seen lots of military members that don't know anything about firearms, and just barely handle them safely. Don't forget that most of the CF has minimal exposure to service weapons (basic drills, pwt 1, not much else). Combat Arms soldiers have more, but that doesn't mean they know anything about handling and loading and legally transporting a revolver, or types of shot etc...

I have watched both military and non-military members handling firearms in very unsafe ways, so I don't see a need for different rules outside of a military context.
 
It is important to note that CF members can not represent themselves as purchasing for the CF in order to get around export restrictions or requirements. Some companies offer deals to military members which is different as it is a means of increasing business and totally above board. The difference becomes when the export requirements require that the goods be sold to military or LE departments. A young soldier I know got in a great deal of trouble by having items shipped to the unit's address in an effort to obtain items that are not sold to individuals. As mentioned above, unless the items are CF issue....a soldier is just like everyone else when it comes to privately owned property....same regs, same use. So a CF member can not take home his 30 round mags to use with their AR15...nor can they be excluded from civilian regulations by military authorities for their civilian firearms.
 
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