About the girl killed by coyotes.....

popcan

popcan

CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Rating - 99.4%
173   1   0
Location
N 51.22.803 - W 121.16.257
What the heck kind of coyotes do they raise back east anyhow? all the Coyotes around my neck of the woods, (south central BC) I wouldn't even think about fear of an attack - they are mostly so scrawny and small, and very wary of humans.

If I encountered two or three of them on a trail, I'd be chasing them off if I didn't have something to shoot them with. Certainly wouldn't be afraid of attack....

What happened? :eek:
 
From the sound of things, they are quite a bit larger and more aggressive than the ones out west. I was reading yesterday about them having cross bred with red wolves?
 
In nine years of living out east and all the fieldwork I do, I only saw coyotes a couple times and it was always their backside as they RAN away. This attack puzzles me, but being a major trail in a national park at the end of summer season I do wonder if tourists have been feeding those coyotes.
Maybe the coyote autopsy will shed some light on this.
 
They are definitely bigger than western coyotes.. I am pretty sure it has been established now that they interbred with wolves.

Feeding them makes perfect sense, that likely is a big part of the problem, but who knows.
 
I walked that specific trail 4 years back.....the moose that I observed (about half a dozen in 2 hours) are basically like cattle and have little fear of humans, I wonder If the coyotes have grown that bold too. Maybe he was protecting a kill .
 
Eastern coyotes being interbred (at some point in history) with wolves is documented in their DNA but in this case I think it is just something to get people worked up at the 'supercoyotes' of the east coast.....
While that may make them bigger, when was the last time a human was attacked and killed by a healthy wolf in Canada? Patricia Wyman doesn't count either.
 
It is the protection of being in the parks is what has done it.
For all of my life I have had no fear of black bears wolves or coyotes that are wild in the bush. They would all do their best to be not seen, and they would get to hell out of there, if they were seen.
It was nearly forty years ago that I first observed, and told anyone who would listen, that black bears in National Parks were so unafraid of people that they could easily become dangerous to humans.
It is now obvious that black bears are so used to people not harming them, anywhere they go, especially around towns or the outskirts of cities, that they definetely can be dangerous.
The same thing is happening to wolves and coyotes.
There is a fair chance the girl was feeding the coyotes that attacked her.
I hunted in BC for about thirty years when black bears were considered vermin and bad predators on moose. For that reason we often shot any bear we saw. I still consider wolves to be in the class of bad predators and I will shoot at any wolf I see in the bush.
I am doing my part to keep wild animals wild, and by so doing they will be respected for what the are; wild, smart, cunning and a joy to see and observe. Who wants to observe, or can admire, a wolf, coyote or bear that is slinking around someones back yard?
 
Coyotes

H4831 has it about right except I don't accept"---fair chance" she was feeding the coyotes---anyway Im out and about a considerable amount and I note all animals in the parks are very much unafraid whereas in the bush most likely you will see ,if at all,the south end of a north bound animal----about 10 years ago,as dimming memory serves, on TV was detail including pictures of an eastern coyote--I saw this and it was a coyote--weighing 84 lbs!!---suggests they were/are breeding with wolves--To conclude,having had both my Brits bitten by coyotes not 20 yds from my truck and another chased, the season is always open. Bent Barrel
 
they are coming out of the bush. I have seen them around my house, at my neighbors farm, etc. I was just in the woods the other day and observed a few tracks, which look like regular sized dog tracks, and some scat. Also fresh bear scat and tracks. this all within 2kms of my home into the woods. They are all getting a lot braver. The coyote I saw below my property on the marsh was like a good sized dog. Not small at all like I had seen previously many years before. Got to get set up well for a good place to lay and wait. With all the rain lately, it has made the area very boggy.
 
http://www.thestar.com/unassigned/article/681632

these fuggers are around my house. They hunt in packs like wolves. 7 "coyotes" killed a buck right in my neighbours backyard. Found 2 more deer kills last winter. Seen a pack of 4 coyotes on 2 seperate occiasions. Both times a darker coloured coyote was leading the way. He was definatly bigger then the rest and seemed to call the shots. I missed them at 300 yards last winter, we put the hounds on them but nothing ever came of it.

don't know if they are out east as well, but I think they are more dangerous then a coyote or wolf, they have the intelligence and pack mentality of a wolf, and the boldness of a coyote.
 
Lots of them in my part of Ontario. Large and very healthy looking. They show little fear of humans and while won't approach will stand still and look if they see you (easier to shoot them that way.) I don't hunt them but if they come around the house, paddocks or barn it's bye-bye Wiley.
 
DVXDUDE said:
http://www.thestar.com/unassigned/article/681632

these fuggers are around my house. They hunt in packs like wolves. 7 "coyotes" killed a buck right in my neighbours backyard. Found 2 more deer kills last winter. Seen a pack of 4 coyotes on 2 seperate occiasions. Both times a darker coloured coyote was leading the way. He was definatly bigger then the rest and seemed to call the shots. I missed them at 300 yards last winter, we put the hounds on them but nothing ever came of it.

don't know if they are out east as well, but I think they are more dangerous then a coyote or wolf, they have the intelligence and pack mentality of a wolf, and the boldness of a coyote.
Click to expand...
In my years of living in Saskatchewan, the only observed coyote pack behaviour that I know of,
was in Baildon, a small farming community just south of Moose Jaw.
During the winter local farmers, would by accident, or on purpose, feed deer low grade grain. This helped them make it through the winter, thereby preventing death by starvation.
One year (1996) it was so bad that about 500 whitetail deer, maybe 50 mule deer and about two dozen antelope were hanging out in the farmer's fields/yards.
Coyotes reverted to pack behaviour to pull down deer.
This was so unusual & un-natural, the DNR made the practice of purposely winter feeding any wild deer, illegal.
I know there is a Saskatchewan accepted legal practice, of baiting deer to be hunted, so I am unsure of the exact details concerning this law.
 
Eastern coyotes are indeed bigger. Please don't suggest wolf interbreeding. In my part of the country wolves EAT coyotes. Years of trapping proves (to me) that eastern coyotes are bigger and are often referred to as brush wolves. In any event H4831's comments are valid. We are creating a strain of predators that used to be lore and fiction, with the policy on parks and protected areas. My god the old paintings of wolves chasing teams of horses is not that far fetched.

regards, Darryl
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom