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That would be a very good idea from here on in.
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That would be a very good idea from here on in.
Ok so you can't or won't answer ...
On another note, your "Pandora's box" analogy a few post ago is excellent.
It reminded me of this:
AOB member; Waxy wrote this back in Feb 2009
Or this:
AOB member; Off in the Bushes wrote this way back in 2008
or this:
AOB member; Bull SHooter wrote this way way back in 2007.
I can't link to the actual Open Spaces/Ramp threads I cut these from due to board rules but you get the idea from this next one:
CGN member; Moon way back in 2008 http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=213432&page=2&highlight=pandora%27s+box
Intresting thing with these quotes, is that they come from threads where you (Sheephunter) apparantly didn't grasp the concerns being rasied. Certainly not to a point where you were able to take the position you are now posting.
I guess it's positive that you now agree with the people who have consistantly maintained their position and although your coming to terms with the "Pandora's Box" aspect of this program, is a day late and a dollar short, it is a testimonial to the hard work of some very dedicated Alberta Sportsmen.
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OK guys, I have to jump in here. No more cross forum arguing as per the rules. Please leave AO out of this and get back on track.
I didn't see "guest" under your name.
My thoughts are that's it's none of my business...it's up to the board mods and I see that a mod here has asked that the AO discussion cease and I'll respect that too.
I hunted a RAMP property just to try it. I saw no other hunters, saw lots of game and had a great day.
Just curious, is this land that you had access to before RAMP? Did you fill in the card?
I hunted a RAMP property just to try it. I saw no other hunters, saw lots of game and had a great day.
And I suspect that will be the comments on most of the report cards. The pilot is being well run and making it easier for hunters to gain access to land. As much as we all wanted to see RAMP flop, it's not going to happen. The government did a good job with it. Unfortunately, it's the long-term ramifications that aren't expressed in the report card or in the pilot project. The pilot will be a success. But what then?
How the #### can you say the gov't did a good job with it? The only good job they did was pulling the wool over some gullible eyes.
And when you are talking about RAMP, "we" does not include me.
They set out to create a system that made it easier for hunters to access private property and to reward landowners for allowing access. They accomplished that goal very well. The system is a very well run one. That doesn't mean it's a system that isn't fraught with peril and danger down the road but it accomplished its short-term goals and that's what the pilot will be judged on. Have you looked at the questions on the report card?
If there was new properties accessible then I would agree. I don't know of any former "no hunting" land on the list. I have looked at the questionaire. The program can't fail. Doesn't mean it's a good program. Let me make up the questionaire, I'll guarantee it fails.
The fact that they made up the parameters surrounding the program means that's what it will be judged on. Within those parameters, it is being well run. I agree that the parameters and report card are skewed but what you and I think isn't what they will judge the success against. Grant was charged with a task and he did a good job with that task.
There were a few new farms/ranches opened up to more access but I agree there was little gain for those that were willing to work at getting permission before.
You said it best, the pilot can't fail...so now what? Do we keep wallowing in this slop pit or do we get out and find a way to fight the bigger picture?
If people, with a little more clout then the average Alberta Outdoorsman, would have joined the fight from day 1, RAMP may have not existed.
The only way to fight it now is to let the average taxpayer know how much this program will cost.
Or vote Wildrose!!!!!
Yes I could have hunted this piece and yes I filled in the card. It took a whole 5 minutes out of my day too. I know a few other folks who have accessed RAMP properties and also quite enjoyed themselves. Why put up such a fight until you try it? Go out, access the land for a day and then come back and ##### about it. No I saw no other hunters. No I wasn't pressured by outfitters. I enjoyed driving up to the sign in box, filling out my info and driving away. It was just as intrusive as walking up to somebody's door, except without the hassle of waking them up first thing in the Morning.
As an added thought, I'm not sure how often the box is checked but I thought to myself it's kind of nice knowing if I slip and fall down a coulee whomever it may be will know roughly where I am in the event I need help. I hunt by myself most of the time and I can never pin point exactly where I may be at any given time. I tend to drive around until I find a spot that looks good, then I seek permission and go for a walk. No land owner has ever asked my name or what I'm driving, and as I was side hilling down a loose slope and almost twisted my ankle, I felt a little better knowing if I went missing, I would be just a bit easier to find.
Bash the program if you want, bash me for enjoying it. But I'm convinced this will aid fresh blood in our sport to have a place to hunt or fish without fear of being turned down access. No I don't believe this will harm things for reasons I already spoke of. This is not a new concept, and I plan on using 'my given right of access' again this week. One thing that I brought up before, but nobody has taken me up on answering it yet:
Would you rather see your tax dollars going to support a pro hunting agenda rather then putting the money towards an anti hunting agenda?
I'm serious. How often do you hear about governments on any level encouraging our traditional right to hunt? It's always the opposite, they give in to special interest groups that hurt us in the end. I for one will be happy to contribute my tax dollars to a thing such as this. It beats the Hell out of the alternative.
I hunted a RAMP property just to try it. I saw no other hunters, saw lots of game and had a great day.
How do you think the average Alberta tax payer is going to feel when he finds out he footed the bill for your hunt?
I don't care. As I stated above, I would rather see my dollars used for that then for fighting a make belive pandemic that 'could potentially kill millions'.
pharoah, I definitely won't bash you for getting out and hunting or having an opinion but I'm not sure if you look at the cost of taking this province wide that you can say it's pro hunting. I agree it's a slick system but it's a system that we can't afford.
Does anyone know how our tax dollars are spent, really? When you look at the salaries of our government officials and workers, various frivilous grants and other BS expenditures, i.e. travel and food allowances. Hotel allowances. University studies that tell us cancer might kill you, I couldn't give two ####s what who says we can't afford. As far as I'm concerned we have paid for other BS for so long and have gotten nothing in return, and I'll say that again, HAVE GOTTEN NOTHING IN RETURN, it's nice to see genuine, everyday folks getting somthing out of it. I'm serious, how much of our money is wasted every single day? If you knew you would be sick. What is put fourth in this program is nothing. Want to know the truth? Every dollar spent is availablr for the public to view. Look it up then tell me we cannot afford this.
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