Restricted Transfer WTF?

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I called the CFC to finish a restricted transfer.... they ask me which club I am with.

I only told them which club I intend to join. Is this fine? They said it went to the CFO in my province (Ontario) for final review.

So whats next? Will the CFO delay the transfer until I have the membership card in hand?
 
IM_Lugger said:
I'm not sure....but in ON you need to be a member at a club to own a restricted firearm
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Not always... I know a few guys who own pistols an other restricted guns that don't belong to clubs...

You're tellin' us that if you own a pistol and decide not to renew your club membership for whatever reason the CFO is gonna come by and take your gun...?

'Don't think so.
 
I know all kinds of people with restricted's that don't belong to any gunclubs. Lots of them just like to go out and plink with them and some of the clubs require "active" participation in at least one or more shooting "events".
 
Well this was my first pistol transfer attempt. The RCMP/CFC just ask me out of the blue if I'm a club member. I say no but I intend to join club X.

The RCMP/CFC said OK, that is fine, now its sent down to my Ontario CFO to review.

So if its fine with the CFC, could it not be fine with the CFO? Do I need to rush out today and buy a membership, or do I have some time?
 
Unless the rules have changed, you don't need to be a member of a club to own a restriced firearm.
It would mean, however, that any time you wanted to go to a range ( as either a customer or member's guest) you would have to apply for a temporary ATT to take the firearm to, and back from, the range.
Most people join a club first before buying a restricted gun. The club then issues an ATT which covers the transportation back and forth to the club.
 
yea i believe that you have to have a range membership since you can only use them at a range, except in the case of a collector, in which case you'd already be registered with the RCMP.

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some posts were made while i was typing mine (@ work)
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/restr-eng.htm - only 3 reasons that you can give to own a registered firearms; collector, employment or target and for target you have to be @ a club.

im not sure what the discrepancy is between what the RCMP is saying and what seems to be practiced based on the posts above.
 
You're tellin' us that if you own a pistol and decide not to renew your club membership for whatever reason the CFO is gonna come by and take your gun...?

'Don't think so.
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even if you let your license lapse chances are no one will come and bang on your door for a while...
 
redryder said:
I know all kinds of people with restricted's that don't belong to any gunclubs. Lots of them just like to go out and plink with them and some of the clubs require "active" participation in at least one or more shooting "events".
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You cannot just go somewhere with a restricted gun and plink somewhere. You always need a ATT if you decide to take your restricted gun out of your home. This is one of the reasons why you need to be a member of a gun club.

Honestly, I don't really understand and know why even short term ATT makes any sense. Will the CFC inform the cops? Any use to them or anybody?
 
scianna54 said:
Honestly, I don't really understand and know why even short term ATT makes any sense. Will the CFC inform the cops? Any use to them or anybody?
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Makes Canada a safer country!

Plus make justifying your job easier when you are issuing more peices of paper.
 
If you are newly licenced and your intention is to join a club for target shooting, that should be enough. Target shooting is a bona-fide and legal purpose for owning a restricted firearm. Just tell them your application is pending. There is no requirement in the Firearms Act that says you must be a member of a gun club. Technically, one might be a competitive or recreational shooter in the U.S..

Everytime the CFC representative asks me that question, I tell them that I am a member of two clubs, so my transfer goes through twice as fast! :rolleyes:
 
667 said:
Not always... I know a few guys who own pistols an other restricted guns that don't belong to clubs...

You're tellin' us that if you own a pistol and decide not to renew your club membership for whatever reason the CFO is gonna come by and take your gun...?

'Don't think so.
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:D
Four reasons to own restricted/prohibited 12 (6) firearms:

1) target practice at an approved club.

2) lawful occupation (trapper, bear baiting , prospector, geologist).

3) protection of life for those privileged (politically connected) few who are granted ATCs for this purpose.

4) registered collector (need CFO approval & consent to inspections).

There is nothing in the law that says you need to be a member of a shooting club but the Firearms Act provides the CFO/Registrar with a mechanism to revoke registration certificates of restricted/prohibited handguns that are not being used for the purpose they were registered for.

If you originally registered a handgun for target practice & are not a member of a club & cannot demonstrate that you are actively target practicing, competing or participating in the sport then the registration certificates for the affected handguns are in jeopardy of being revoked on the advice of the CFO to the Registrar.
 
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I own restricted firearms but I do not belong to a Club. He told me recently that he could transport my restricted pistol on his ATT from my home to the Range and back if I wanted to shoot it. I only have a collectors permit and I haven't taken him on this as I don't know the legality as of yet.
 
In Quebec you need to be a member of a club to keep your restricted firearms. My neighbor stopped shooting pistol a few years ago but still kept his pistol. He gave up his membership to a shooting club. Last year he received a call from the SQ (Quebec provincial police). They gave him 3 choices. 1. join a club and keep his pistol. 2. sell the pistol. or 3. Turn in the pistol to the SQ so that it can be destroyed. He opted to join a club.
 
scianna54 said:
You cannot just go somewhere with a restricted gun and plink somewhere. You always need a ATT if you decide to take your restricted gun out of your home. This is one of the reasons why you need to be a member of a gun club.

Honestly, I don't really understand and know why even short term ATT makes any sense. Will the CFC inform the cops? Any use to them or anybody?
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I realize that you can't just go out and plink somewhere. I was saying that these people originally belonged to gunclubs that changed their rules or had them changed for them in regards to being members of said gunclubs.
 
Jose said:
In Quebec you need to be a member of a club to keep your restricted firearms. My neighbor stopped shooting pistol a few years ago but still kept his pistol. He gave up his membership to a shooting club. Last year he received a call from the SQ (Quebec provincial police). They gave him 3 choices. 1. join a club and keep his pistol. 2. sell the pistol. or 3. Turn in the pistol to the SQ so that it can be destroyed. He opted to join a club.
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:D
Only because nobody challenges the CFOs "made up" laws in PQ.

There is nothing in the Firearms Act that specifically stipulates shooting club membership.

All that is required is that you are using the restricted/prohibited handgun for the purpose for which it was registered.

If you are NOT a shooting club member but can demonstrate that you are shooting at an approved club on a purchased "day pass" basis that would be sufficient and any CFO demand to surrender your handgun(s) would & should be challenged in court.

It would be easy to prove shooting club attendance for target practice because you would require an ATT from the CFO for each visit if you were not a member of a shooting club & didn't have a Long Term ATT.
 
It makes sense that they want people using the restricted firearms for what they were purchased for... But some of it is kinda silly, but again you can't make laws stick to some people and not others. For me, I think the whole thing is silly because I live in an area where there aren't people around for miles, where I'm legally able to discharge a high powered rifle, but yet I can't go into my own back yard to fire a pistol... I have to get an ATT and drive it an hour where it would probably run a higher risk of falling into the wrong hands in the city than it would in my back yard.
 
pricedo said:
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Only because nobody challenges the CFOs "made up" laws in PQ.

There is nothing in the Firearms Act that specifically stipulates shooting club membership.

All that is required is that you are using the restricted/prohibited handgun for the purpose for which it was registered.

If you are NOT a shooting club member but can demonstrate that you are shooting at an approved club on a purchased "day pass" basis that would be sufficient and any CFO demand to surrender your handgun(s) would & should be challenged in court.

It would be easy to prove shooting club attendance for target practice because you would require an ATT from the CFO for each visit if you were not a member of a shooting club & didn't have a Long Term ATT.
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^^^ Agree
 
Winchester-1897 said:
I own restricted firearms but I do not belong to a Club. He told me recently that he could transport my restricted pistol on his ATT from my home to the Range and back if I wanted to shoot it. I only have a collectors permit and I haven't taken him on this as I don't know the legality as of yet.
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If this is true, then his ATT would have to specifically say that. Otherwise, oh well. ... none of my business.
 
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