FS2000 flat top or optic model?

OZZ said:
Don't you guys think the spent casings dribbling out the front is a bad idea? You can have live ammo hang up in the mag/chamber so why risk having spent brass getting stuck, I don't see the point of if.
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I think the front ejection system is part of the concept. So changing it would slightly render the concept useless.

Like any other firearm, you need to practice your clearing drills, so it doesnt really matter.

Lock the bolt back, rip the bag out, rack the bolt, insert new mag, shoot.

And theres a little flap behind the rear sight so you can see down the mag well and chamber.
 
The point of forward ejection in a bullpup is that you can shoot it from either shoulder without getting hot brass and gasses in your face.
 
alexD92 said:
I think the front ejection system is part of the concept. So changing it would slightly render the concept useless.

Like any other firearm, you need to practice your clearing drills, so it doesnt really matter.

Lock the bolt back, rip the bag out, rack the bolt, insert new mag, shoot.

And theres a little flap behind the rear sight so you can see down the mag well and chamber.
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How would that clearing drill clear a case stuck up front?
 
OZZ said:
Dont you guys think the spent casings dribbling out the front is a bad idea? You can have live ammo hang up in the mag/chamber so why risk having spent brass getting stuck, I dont see the point of if.
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Fully ambidex operation while having a full length barrel in a fairly compact package. I've got the same concern but who knows, maybe someone figured out a way of getting around it.

The Slovenians adopted as the general issue rifle for their army (6500 rifles), planned for a total of 14,000 rifles to be issued to the regs and the reserves by 2012. They'll put them through the ringer, although I haven't heard about any feedback on open forums.

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Not quite sure I understand your concern.

Are talking about having a full casing suck sideways into the ejection port?
 
alexD92 said:
Not quite sure I understand your concern.

Are talking about having a full casing suck sideways into the ejection port?
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He's talking about having an obstruction in the ejection tube.

To be fair though, I don't think keeping the ejection tube clear would be any harder then ensuring the barrel was clear of obstructions.

And if I understand the design correctly, there's a small retaining pin at the end of the tube as well that ensures that there are always 5 brass casings in the tube at all times to help prevent anything from entering the tube as well as minimizing noise from having brass rattling around in the gun.
 
alexD92 said:
Not quite sure I understand your concern.

Are talking about having a full casing suck sideways into the ejection port?
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It could be a bent/ripped jagged casing,ripped out primer or outside debris causing a jam in that tube. You could be in the bush and have a twig jam inside the ejection tube, seems much harder to clear than the chamber having a jam

Anyway I guess they are not worried about it,was just a observation.
 
OZZ said:
It could be a bent/ripped jagged casing,ripped out primer or outside debris causing a jam in that tube. You could be in the bush and have a twig jam inside the ejection tube, seems much harder to clear than the chamber having a jam

Anyway I guess they are not worried about it,was just a observation.
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you can be hit by meteortite using the world's best rifle.
 
Flat Top!!!

Hopefully Kodiak Outpost can get these cheaper than Questar. Supply & demand... The larger the supply.. the lower the demand.. then the lower the price!!!

We all know these sell for 1500 USD down south, but for whatever reason they are difficult to import. Maybe the boarder is opening up again? Who knows.
 
7.65 Para said:
Flat Top!!!

Hopefully Kodiak Outpost can get these cheaper than Questar. Supply & demand... The larger the supply.. the lower the demand.. then the lower the price!!!

We all know these sell for 1500 USD down south, but for whatever reason they are difficult to import. Maybe the boarder is opening up again? Who knows.
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You know I don't want to get into an argument with you but I do not agree with your statement that

We all know these sell for 1500 USD down south.

What I do know is that I pay (wholesale) considerably more than $1,500 USD for the FS2000. In fact more than 30% more than that. If someone is selling one for $1,500 NIB then they are losing money on it as that's less than FN sells them for. Even on one of the SHOT Show deals last year (if you bought a whole bunch of guns from FN then you got a FREE FS2000 when it finally came out... figure out what the dealer actually paid as part of the package and it wasn't free... maybe he decided to sell his FREE gun at below dealer cost but that's not the same as saying these sell for $1,500 down south... at least I can assure you we as dealers can't source them for $1,500 and if you can give me a source then please do so and I'll buy them.

Believe me or don't I really don't care but that is the fact, regardless of what others think.

Kodiak already posted once and told people that his cost is over $2,000.00USD and that's without any permit costs, export costs, transport costs, customs charges, brokerage fees, overheads, markup, etc..

Mark
 
I've had two (flat-tops), one green and one black. Both were fun but limited being restricted. I ended up selling both and replacing with a Tavor and an XCR. I'd buy a non-restricted one for sure. Flat top or the other, I don't care.
 
Questar said:
Kodiak already posted once and told people that his cost is over $2,000.00USD and that's without any permit costs, export costs, transport costs, customs charges, brokerage fees, overheads, markup, etc..

Mark
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This is correct. My cost is over $2000 USD before any import/export, shipping, duty, etc. I've checked other distributor costs also and they are all closely around the 2K mark wholesale. I don't know what the price was on them before, but this is the wholesale price now.

The fact that more guns will be coming into Canada will undoubtedly bring the price down. However, it's important to keep expectations realistic. I will be posting prices as soon as I can. :)

K.O.
 
We have 4 units arriving late this month... they are up on the website and available for pre-orders. We have more coming but those won't get here until January.

Orders for units not already on the way can be placed now as well... expect @ 6 to 8 week delivery on any orders for stuff we don't already have coming (so the models with 1.6 Optic can be ordered but figure 6 to 8 week delivery since SHOT Show will definitely interupt our import schedule and reduce much of our office staff in mid to late January.

Pricing is listed based on the current deals we were able to get... keep in mind that most suppliers raise their wholesale prices every year at SHOT Show so don't be surprised if pricing in January changes upwards. From past experience most companies raise our cost pricing by 3% to 5% at a minimum.

Also... we're still finalizing delivery and pricing on the non-Restricted versions so those are NOT yet up on the website... we're hoping to have those added to the website in a week or so and expect delivery on those versions to be late January or more likely February 2010. Pricing is expected to be @ $3,999.99 but not yet finalized.

Mark
 
Im holding for the non restricted , but man is it ever fantastic that you guys, and the other guys are getting such things into the country, the more they are seen at ranges and in stores may be will help dispel the fear of such rifles....and if not i dont care cuz im goona have mine!
 
Since both dealers here provide good sales on a regular basis, I am happy. If they were only catering to the high rollers, then maybe we could #####. If there are ever high prices it is only because the loud mouths here like to boast they will pay any price. I just won't pay any price for that fleeting 'elite' feel.
 
It's kind of funny that a little over a year ago many dealers were not even trying to bring in some of this stuff because they didn't think they could move the product......remember trying to get something as simple as Pmags?..... hahahahaha.

It's interesting that reccessions become "boom-times" for the firearms industry. Tell someone they can't have something, and they'll want it even more :D

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simpleton said:
It's kind of funny that a little over a year ago many dealers were not even trying to bring in some of this stuff because they didn't think they could move the product......remember trying to get something as simple as Pmags, hahahahaha.

It's interesting that reccessions become "boom-times" for the firearms industry. Tell someone they can't have something, and they'll want it even more :D

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Bull... we spent close to 2 years trying to get export permits for the FS2000 and PS90's and were denied and rejected repeatedly. Cost us a lot of money in the many hours of paperwork and fees repeatedly trying to get an export permit and all out of our own pocket. That's one reason that when we did finally get the initial permit we had to recoup those costs and those first guns were more expensive than we can do them for now.

We've always brought this type of stuff in... we've never had problems moving product...

  • our biggest problem is getting export permits for some of the items people want
  • another problem this past year has been sourcing product (for quite a while we couldn't get PMAG's no matter how hard we tried, they just couldn't make them fast enough to keep up with demand)
  • and finally, the other problem is trying to meet unrealistic expectations on pricing. We don't work for free and it costs us money to do importations so our price is the price... those that whine they want to pay US pricing... well that topic has been beat to death already.

Mark
 
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