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It is common in america to reweld demilled receiver pieces of MG's into functioning semi automatics. This one went bad. The identity of Bubba is unknown, the pictures come from the fellow being paid to fix it up into a gas gun. I wish him the best of luck, but this looks BAD hahaha :puke:
 
What firearm is what ? I would guess it was an MG42 but I'm sure I am wrong.

I also don't understand what happen exactly, can someone explain ?
 
hahahahahaha what a mess. If it gets taken to a good welder, it can be fixed, but it will be a pain in the ass. He better take a case of beer or two to the welder who fixes it.
And the guy that welded this should be ashamed. And banned from running another bead in his life. LOL
 
Michael J said:
Was an mg42 yes. What happend? A BAD restoration job!
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Thats sad, poor thing doesn't deserve to be in that type of shape. I've never welded before, just how could you screw this up badly ? I know the answer may be obvious but I am being serious in inquiring.

Is this a type of weld job where the person who had it was trying to make a dewatt back into a semi-auto ? If so, can't you simply replace some parts and get a semi-auto but not full auto ?
 
dudley2112 said:
so whats being done with it now?
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The original builder is paying a member of the "mg42.us" forum to restore it. Seeing as they are in america, they will be able to replace the rear half relatively easily. It is being made into a gas gun, i'm guessing for re-enacting purposes (propane i think?).

NavyShooter, i don't even think a welding jig would have helped :rolleyes: :D! Do note the scrap square tubing used in place of the missing receiver portions LOL. I am not sure what this guy had originally envisioned, but it sure as heck did not come out that nice :eek:...

Nabs, how this guy did this is... words cannot describe it. I have no idea just how somebody goes about screwing up so badly. First of all, he is filling in missing portions of the receiver with square tubing. Not even to mention the incorrect dimensions. Heat distribution appears to have warped the crap out of it too. The grip slot is waaaaay lopsided, and the ejection port is non-existent. This site has some pictures of a new aftermarket receiver they build and sell, it will give you an idea of what it should look like! www.brp guns.com/mg42dummy.htm . The gun was not Dewatted, but Demilitarized, pretty much the receiver is cut up into pieces by a torch. The making of a semi auto is a bit more complex, but pretty much you are correct, build up the receiver , replace out your bolt and grip (while installing safeguards so the originals may not be re-installed), and there you go a Semiautomatic. Totally legal in america, however there are different requirements here in canada, but that is a post for another day ;).
 
EPIC FAIL,
- ME to the guy who welded it:
-I'm Calling this one and pulling all of your tickets, We asked for a welder not an abortion doctor. Wrap your sh*t up and go home! :mad:
Poor MG42:(
 
P90Puma said:
What about ATF's stance of once an MG always an MG? Something doesn't add up here.
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ATF's interpretation is that once a receiver has been cut to their specs, it is no longer a receiver. If it is repaired, it is considered to be a new receiver.
This is only if the resulting new receiver is for an acceptable semi auto firearm, and the firearm is assembled in such a manner that the 922(r) parts requirements are met. If the maker is an appropriately licenced machinegun manufacturer, then it is a new manufactured machinegun.
Cdn. policy is different. If parts from a cut receiver of a prohibited firearm are used to make a receiver, it is prohibited.
Note that ATF's specs require several torch cuts, with a minimum of 1/4" of metal destroyed at each cut. The locations of the cuts are part of the specs, as well. There have been new receivers made from receivers demilled in this manner. Sometimes repair sections are used in addition to original portions. There are certainly metallurgical/safety concerns when a receiver for a high pressure cartridge is welded together. There are semi auto Bren rebuilds with welds between the breechface and the locking shoulder.:eek:
Edited to clarify semi auto vs full auto issue.
 
1. if it was demilled, you CANNOT restore it to a working gun! 10k fine and 10 years in a federal slammer.

2. ONLY guns that exsisted pre 1968 are legal. The exception being guns that were de-acted WITH the de-act paperwork. Did that when I re-acted my de-act Lewis gun.

Now Class three dealers can own post 68 guns BUT they can ONLY be transferred to other Class three dealers.

One reason why prices have skyrocketed. A fixed supply and lots of collectors

Saying all that, building a MG to "semi-auto" mode is legal. But the design must be submitted to the ATF for approval.
 
ChubbsMcGee said:
Tig welding should be used here, no?
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TIG or MIG will do, i've seen builds done with both. Copper backing plates are important though.

Tiriaq and John Sukey both pretty much have the legalities covered.

Regarding any gun build done here in canada, the legal process is along the lines of: Use a newly manufactured receiver , make sure the original firing components are not installable (bolt and grip), and send her in for approval.

Some good examples of canadian approved semi auto MG's are TNW's guns, new receiver, and you cannot convert them back to FA.
 
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