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Just wondering with all the hunts they do on wild tv for deer in Ontario you never see a hunt for deer with hounds.Maybe it's the distance they can travel and never knowing where the critter will come out,or permission from land owners,who knows ?.I hunt with hounds and would like to see them try this.I love nothing more than just listening to my hounds doing what there supposed to do rather than taking an animal imho.I train them all yr for one week.I do the dogging with the hounds so shots are few and far between as the sitters usually get the shots,not the doggers.If you know the area well enough they should know where they travel when pushed and still be able to get the pics and footage they need for the show.With Ontario being about the only place to hunt deer with hounds you'd think they'd do a show on it ?.
Love my hounds and love the sound of a hot chase !!!!!
4 beagles and 5 walkers make's for a really nice sound in the woods !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just my 0.02$

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I hunt with hounds aswell, I don't own any but the camp owns them and another member looks after them. There is nothing that will make me more excited than sitting on a run and hearing the dogs baying at a deer, and they get closer and closer. Its one of the best parts of the hunt.
 
Not politically correct :rolleyes:

I can almost hear PETA now if they saw a show like that.

88man: You need to take some lessons from my son.:) He's our main dog man & gets as many or more deer than anybody! You just have to take note where the dog jumps the deer & find a view of that spot with a seat. Works good with Beagles, not so sure with hounds, might be hard to keep close enough to guess where they jump the deer!
 
Send them an email invite, they are VERY quick to reply to viewers invites. I invited them on a shoot but it turns out I was too late, someone from here already invited them.

Cheers
 
I agree, that would be a great segment!:) But like others have said, its a style of hunting that would likely be hard to encapsulate into a video segment; too much going on beyond the cameraman's control.

Oh man, just talking about this has got me all excited!!! Only 40 weeks to go!!!:D
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I don't think most viewers can relate to doggers. We are one of few province/state that allows it. Most viewers across Canada wouldn't understand.
 
sherlockbonez said:
I don't think most viewers can relate to doggers. We are one of few province/state that allows it. Most viewers across Canada wouldn't understand.
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:agree:

Don't get me wrong, I believe you have every right to hunt that way in your province because it is legal. I love hunting dogs, of all sorts, and all types of hunting, but something about dogs chasing deer doesn't sit right with me, in other words "I" would not hunt that way. I have a feeling that most westerners feel that dogs and deer do not belong in the same sentence. Birds - yes, rabbits - yes, bears and cougars - yes, raccoons - yes. But not deer, elk or moose.

FWIW, the rule (spoken or not) in most rural areas of the West is that if you see a dog chasing a deer you kill the dog, no question, and I have done just that. It is hard to reconcile that long standing belief with the idea of intentionally allowing your dogs to chase deer for hunting. Point in fact, many dog owners see continually chasing deer as an unforgivable offense by their dog. I have come very close to having my own bird-dog put down (and I love him more than most humans) because he put the run on a few deer; though luckily for both of us I managed to dissuade him from continuing with this behaviour.

Again, I support your legal right to hunt that way, just like I support the legal right to bait bears (also against my personal ethos), but I am just sharing with you how many other hunting Canadians feel and why there may be some reluctance to film a show about it. On the other hand, maybe a show that explains how and why a hunt is conducted that way might help those of us who view it negatively see it in a different light.
 
Don't get me wrong, I believe you have every right to hunt that way in your province because it is legal. I love hunting dogs, of all sorts, and all types of hunting, but something about dogs chasing deer doesn't sit right with me, in other words "I" would not hunt that way. I have a feeling that most westerners feel that dogs and deer do not belong in the same sentence. Birds - yes, rabbits - yes, bears and cougars - yes, raccoons - yes. But not deer, elk or moose.
FWIW, the rule (spoken or not) in most rural areas of the West is that if you see a dog chasing a deer you kill the dog, no question, and I have done just that
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I also agree x1
 
Im sure we could shoot more deer without the hounds but like said its an awesome sound hearing them coming over the ridges. We were out this morning and my uncle shot a nice yote about 40 yds in front of 3 walkers!
 
I have only recently began to hunt deer over dogs. It is not my first choice as I prefer to still hunt or sit in a good tree stand watching a trail in a funnel or what have you, but it is also very exciting to hear those dogs baying a deer, and especially exciting when they sound like they are coming closer!

For my western neighbours I would ask why you feel it is alright to hunt bears and cougars with dogs, and not deer? I am not picking a fight, I am just trying to understand the philosophy.
 
I have nothing against doggers. One of my buddies from eastern ontario, his neighbours is from a family of houndsmen. But tradition don't sell airtimes. People want to watch stuff that they themselves would do and in turn watch all the new must have gears for half an hour. What are the sponsers gonna sell? A new hound? Some buckshots??

Not profitable comparing to selling bows and ninja clothes.
 
Crashman said:
For my western neighbours I would ask why you feel it is alright to hunt bears and cougars with dogs, and not deer? I am not picking a fight, I am just trying to understand the philosophy.
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Hey, I hear you. That is why I premised my post with saying I had no objection; I want to keep this positive.

To answer your question, well..... I really can't. As I said earlier, it is ingrained in a lot of us from early on. As for cougars, well there are a lot of cats in BC, but without a couple hounds you are very unlikely to ever see one, never mind kill one. I hunted and worked and played in the bush in BC for over 30 years, and I only ever saw 2. Only one was shootable, but of course neither me or my buddy had a tag.

Bears, well I am on the fence on that one, as you are not allowed to use dogs to hunt bears here, but I personally have no interest anyway. Again, if that is someones idea of hunting, have at 'er (where legal of course). Are you allowed to use dogs for bears in Ontario?

I understand some of the reasons FOR using hounds with deer, such as extremely thick bush, etc. but cannot understand the desire to shoot at a panicked, running deer. I personally find it much more satisfying to put 130 grains of 'sleep-aid' behind the ear of a resting or calmly feeding deer. I do not even like "pushing bush" as is often done in the prairies, for the same reason. FWIW, the way we hunted in BC was either still-hunting (stalking), spot and stalk, or sitting on the ground. No blinds or drives or tree stands. Hunting was a solo affair; you may be hunting with others but they were usually off on their own somewhere else, often far enough away a gunshot may not be heard. I understand that hunting is much more of a group event back east: hunt camps, drives, dogging, etc., often involving 10 or more people. That is much different then my experience.

You know, it is a lot like morals, they are just there. People from other places and cultures may see things differently. Is one right? Is one wrong? Much the way I am okay with some guy half way around the word having 3 or 4 wives, yet in this country our culture says it is not okay, not here.

Maybe I am a hypocrite. Maybe dogging deer is something you have to try to be able to understand it.
 
Pudelpointer said:
Hey, I hear you. That is why I premised my post with saying I had no objection; I want to keep this positive.

To answer your question, well..... I really can't. As I said earlier, it is ingrained in a lot of us from early on. As for cougars, well there are a lot of cats in BC, but without a couple hounds you are very unlikely to ever see one, never mind kill one. I hunted and worked and played in the bush in BC for over 30 years, and I only ever saw 2. Only one was shootable, but of course neither me or my buddy had a tag.

Bears, well I am on the fence on that one, as you are not allowed to use dogs to hunt bears here, but I personally have no interest anyway. Again, if that is someones idea of hunting, have at 'er (where legal of course). Are you allowed to use dogs for bears in Ontario?

I understand some of the reasons FOR using hounds with deer, such as extremely thick bush, etc. but cannot understand the desire to shoot at a panicked, running deer. I personally find it much more satisfying to put 130 grains of 'sleep-aid' behind the ear of a resting or calmly feeding deer. I do not even like "pushing bush" as is often done in the prairies, for the same reason. FWIW, the way we hunted in BC was either still-hunting (stalking), spot and stalk, or sitting on the ground. No blinds or drives or tree stands. Hunting was a solo affair; you may be hunting with others but they were usually off on their own somewhere else, often far enough away a gunshot may not be heard. I understand that hunting is much more of a group event back east: hunt camps, drives, dogging, etc., often involving 10 or more people. That is much different then my experience.

You know, it is a lot like morals, they are just there. People from other places and cultures may see things differently. Is one right? Is one wrong? Much the way I am okay with some guy half way around the word having 3 or 4 wives, yet in this country our culture says it is not okay, not here.

Maybe I am a hypocrite. Maybe dogging deer is something you have to try to be able to understand it.
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I pretty much agree with this entire post. I cant see myself ever enjoying a deer hunt with dogs. To me, cougar makes sense because they are an elusive predator with sharp senses, and the only real way to get on one reliably is with a predator that has sharp senses. Deer can be hunted several ways, and dogging isnt my preferred method. Have at er if you want.:)
 
Interesting. Being from Ontario I never knew other provinces didn't allow hunting deer with hounds. While I have never personally hunted this way (usually solo like the boys out west more out of necessity than anything else) I thought a show about it would be awesome. Then I read further. I think it would be tough to film though. I have helped a buddy of mine film a fishing segment and that was hard enough!!
 
88man, you should see that mut (beagle/walker cross?) you gave us work deer and rabbit trails. she got 2 cotton tails running her first hunt and gets so excited on fresh deer sign that she starts whining and yelping:D

id like to see this on tv to as i have never experienced that type of deer hunting.
 
Pudelpointer said:
Hey, I hear you. That is why I premised my post with saying I had no objection; I want to keep this positive.

To answer your question, well..... I really can't. As I said earlier, it is ingrained in a lot of us from early on. As for cougars, well there are a lot of cats in BC, but without a couple hounds you are very unlikely to ever see one, never mind kill one. I hunted and worked and played in the bush in BC for over 30 years, and I only ever saw 2. Only one was shootable, but of course neither me or my buddy had a tag.

Bears, well I am on the fence on that one, as you are not allowed to use dogs to hunt bears here, but I personally have no interest anyway. Again, if that is someones idea of hunting, have at 'er (where legal of course). Are you allowed to use dogs for bears in Ontario?

I understand some of the reasons FOR using hounds with deer, such as extremely thick bush, etc. but cannot understand the desire to shoot at a panicked, running deer. I personally find it much more satisfying to put 130 grains of 'sleep-aid' behind the ear of a resting or calmly feeding deer. I do not even like "pushing bush" as is often done in the prairies, for the same reason. FWIW, the way we hunted in BC was either still-hunting (stalking), spot and stalk, or sitting on the ground. No blinds or drives or tree stands. Hunting was a solo affair; you may be hunting with others but they were usually off on their own somewhere else, often far enough away a gunshot may not be heard. I understand that hunting is much more of a group event back east: hunt camps, drives, dogging, etc., often involving 10 or more people. That is much different then my experience.

You know, it is a lot like morals, they are just there. People from other places and cultures may see things differently. Is one right? Is one wrong? Much the way I am okay with some guy half way around the word having 3 or 4 wives, yet in this country our culture says it is not okay, not here.

Maybe I am a hypocrite. Maybe dogging deer is something you have to try to be able to understand it.
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To be honest, I prefer the solitude and challenge of hunting the way you describe. But it is exciting to hear the hounds in the woods, no doubt about that. One thing that hounds do have the advantage is I have never heard of a houndsmen loosing a wounded deer, but maybe it is possible.

Interesting discussion, thanks for your input!
 
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