Basic Rifle for BCRA Tactical Rifle Championship

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Hi everyone,

Apologies in advance if this is not the right place for this. :redface:

I'm interested in putting a rig together, on the relative cheap, to go participate in the BCRA tacrifle competition.

I was initially considering that I might be able to get away with using an M14 just to give it a go, but was reminded and humbled that it probably didn't have the legs for that sort of thing compared to the bolt guns.

I'm looking for suggestions from previous competitors on a combination of basic rifle, optics and caliber on a ~1.5k budget for a greenhorn to go take part in this event.

Thanks for your time. It is appreciated.

D.
 
So let me get this straight "DrawBlood"... you have gone from asking about the worst piece of excrement since the Remington 710 (The Savage 25) to offering advice on rifle's you've admittedly never owned? Have you ever competed in a Tactical Match?

This is why consumers need to be extremely careful about seeking advice from interent forums.

Dsynk, I would suggest you contact Ed Begg (CGN: "Ed Begg"); he is one of the organizers of the BC Tac Rifle Championship and he owns V-Bull Precision... a helluva great guy.

Do yourself a favour and ask him these questions because he will have plenty of good professional reccommendations to offer. Another excellent contact is "Parker Hale Mike" here on CGN, he is one of my fellow BCRA directors in charge of the Tac Rifle discipline. He is another expert who will very likely have some excellent suggestion.
 
Obtunded said:
So let me get this straight "DrawBlood"... you have gone from asking about the worst piece of excrement since the Remington 710 (The Savage 25) to offering advice on rifle's you've admittedly never owned? Have you ever competed in a Tactical Match?

This is why consumers need to be extremely careful about seeking advice from interent forums.

Dsynk, I would suggest you contact Ed Begg (CGN: "Ed Begg"); he is one of the organizers of the BC Tac Rifle Championship and he owns V-Bull Precision... a helluva great guy.

Do yourself a favour and ask him these questions because he will have plenty of good professional reccommendations to offer. Another excellent contact is "Parker Hale Mike" here on CGN, he is one of my fellow BCRA directors in charge of the Tac Rifle discipline. He is another expert who will very likely have some excellent suggestion.
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Thanks Obtunded.

I'll give both a shout!
 
thanks obtunded? for what? freaking at someone trying to relay info that people like him...well i guess not exactly like him because they are trustworthy and know what they are talking about...to you...well thanks a lot...he is just trying to start something and i do not take offence personally for what he said but i take offence to the people...good kind people who took their time to clear up thing i did not know...who were slandered because of his comments, which could have been kept to himself or more kindly worded...i have seen many brilliant people make really accurate rigs out of $350 Savage actions...too bad some people dont respect that art
 
Drawblood, I see you're in BC. What can I do to get you interested in coming out and trying an F-Class match? I can even get you set up with one of my guns if you would like to try it. I think you clearly have an interest in precision shooting and I think it would be great to have another BC guy in the sport that was actually invented right here.

I guarantee that spending a couple of days chatting with the great people that actually shoot, load, build and live precision F-Class will give you a whole new appreciation for what equipment works, what doesn't and why some internet "isms" don't seem to work in the real world.

I guarantee you will have a great time and walk away with encyclopedias of new knowledge.

Keep an eye of the bcrifle.org website. We will be posting the season's matches soon. In addition, we will be having an F-Class introductory clinic in Mission as soon as we can fix a date and sort the details out.

If you would like to know more or are interested in coming out and giving this a try, drop me a line riflebarrels@telus.net

Ian
 
Obtunded said:
Drawblood, I see you're in BC. What can I do to get you interested in coming out and trying an F-Class match? I can even get you set up with one of my guns if you would like to try it. I think you clearly have an interest in precision shooting and I think it would be great to have another BC guy in the sport that was actually invented right here.

I guarantee that spending a couple of days chatting with the great people that actually shoot, load, build and live precision F-Class will give you a whole new appreciation for what equipment works, what doesn't and why some internet "isms" don't seem to work in the real world.

I guarantee you will have a great time and walk away with encyclopedias of new knowledge.

Keep an eye of the bcrifle.org website. We will be posting the season's matches soon. In addition, we will be having an F-Class introductory clinic in Mission as soon as we can fix a date and sort the details out.

If you would like to know more or are interested in coming out and giving this a try, drop me a line riflebarrels@telus.net

Ian
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i feel like a jackass...i would love to and i know my grampa would want me to seeing as how he got me into it but I dont live in BC anymore...and i must admit that it was fair for you to question my knowledge after making that post and i feel like an idiot for doing it once i realized some of the "inconvieniences" of the savage 25...right now i live in ontario and want to get into a little precision shooting but dont know what equipment would suit my needs and i want to ask you, Obtunded, do custom Savage 110s win matches?
 
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Probably 1 of the biggest bang for the buck rifles for someone on a tight budget, that wants to stand a good chance of placing decently in the BCRA Tactica match would be the Savage 10FP LE series rifles. They shoot very well out of the box, even better when bedded properly and have the bonus of being already set up with detachable mag and decent fiberglass stocks.
 
DB, don't sweat it!

CGN "Ice-Pick" is with the ORA and he has been quite involved in helping new precision shooters get started and the ORA has a great introductory day. Drop him a line.

As to your question re 110's, They could certainly win, but don't sweat the equipment end of things until you've had a chance to hang out with guys that actually do this stuff. Try THEIR equipment and let them tell you what they do or do not like one versus the other.

Lets get you into our fraternity and then you can learn from the collective wisdom of people that you can clearly see know what they are talking about.

Cheers,

Ian
 
Obtunded said:
DB, don't sweat it!

CGN "Ice-Pick" is with the ORA and he has been quite involved in helping new precision shooters get started and the ORA has a great introductory day. Drop him a line.

As to your question re 110's, They could certainly win, but don't sweat the equipment end of things until you've had a chance to hang out with guys that actually do this stuff. Try THEIR equipment and let them tell you what they do or do not like one versus the other.

Lets get you into our fraternity and then you can learn from the collective wisdom of people that you can clearly see know what they are talking about.

Cheers,

Ian
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I like your attitude, Ian. I'm planning to get up to Kamloops this spring and give it a try as you've suggested. Hopefully I'll even bring some friends. I think the new Sporter/Factory class you mentioned to me is going to be a great way to bring new people in to F class.
 
Thanks everyone.

DrawBlood:
I was hurried in my response since I was at work and did not get a chance to reply to you and provide my thanks. This was my mistake and apologies for that.

ATR:
Some of the Savage models are getting a brought up quite a few times from some great people so that speaks volumes for the guys looking for a decent bit of kit on a budget.

Obtunded:
I had the opportunity to speak with Ed at V-Bull this afternoon. He seriously took 40minutes of of his day to talk to some one he has never met and shared a *lot* of information about the discipline.

Everyone:
What an incredible group of people in the precision community.

I'm going going to try and track some one down with one of these rigs and see how it runs for me before rushing in.

Thanks again for all the suggestions. Keep them coming!

D.
 
Drawblood, Savage has won from the club level to international matches. Set at least one US national record last year. Check out the Hornady site. Also, lots of event news on the 6mmBR.com. And in this forum and many others.

More and more are being used as a base to build very accurate rifles now that more and better accessories are available. many are reporting excellent results as they come from the factory. There is one post on this page from a very happy Savage owner indicating performance (if repeatable), any custom rifle owner would be proud of.

For tactical shooting, the Savage mag and factory options offers one of the best bangs for the buck. In most cases, the factory barrel is more then accurate to be competitive in this style of event.

And if it isn't, a simple swap of a match quality aftermarket barrel from Shilen, McGowen, and Brux (there might be others but unaware), and you have the makings of rig that can shoot in the 2's without much fuss.

The new center feed mag is built like a tank and arguably one of the nicest feeding factory mags that us working guys can afford.

With what is presently available, the Savage and Stevens offers the best bang for the dollars spent.

If you would like to learn more, please visit my website and there are several articles that will help you on your journey.

Jerry
 
While a savage could be a winner in this type of match...it's going to come down to the experience of the shooter.You could have the best gun that shoots in .1's and if you can't operate it in a variety of shooting positions as well as shooting scenarios,your going to have difficulty.But I'll tell you this.It will be the most fun difficulty you can have with your pants on.Take a rifle and go try it.You will be hooked instantly.
 
I watch this forum regularly, I am not a long range persision competitor. I find myself looking at these great rigs & thinking I should get one. Now, there are a couple of things I must keep reminding myself: My range here is only 100 yds, so I shoot on private land for longer range.: I have 2 guns that will do 1/2 in at 100,I should shoot them more. When I can outshoot my tools then I will move up.: The 2 cal I have that shoot this well are 222 & 280. The 280 will reach out longer than I can shoot. After all this my point is learn from these people that have the skills and use what u have. Go to some comp. if you can. This is where you will learn if it is something you want to get into. These people want to help so use them. Good luck & good shooting. :) AJ
 
While agreeing with everything said above (and yes, I've shot these matches and had some success doing so), I think I'd skip the savage and get one of the used remington's from the EE. There's an LTR for 900 bucks, I'd probably get that. SPS's are cheaper, but the stock is awful. Optics? Maybe a falcon or some kind of bushnell. You're also going to need a bipod for about 100 bucks (unless you plan to do all your shooting off a backpack, which is fine). Add into that the cost of about 200+ rounds of gold medal, lapua, or some other match ammo.

All that said, definitely come out with whatever you've got. Sure maybe you won't win it all on your first try (no matter what kit you had), but you'll have a great time and get an idea of exactly what counts to do well at these things. You will need a good (enough) rifle/ammo/optics, yes -but mostly it comes down to experience, especially with wind.

edit: as for caliber, probably 90%+ are shooting 308. 223 doesn't seem to do as well, and other calibers mean you won't shoot as a 'service rifle' (though you can shoot with almost any caliber if you want).
 
Last match I went to a guy that wanted to get into precision shooting showed up with a bone stock Stevens 200 in 223 with a Bushy 3200 straight 10x. All he did is bed the action and paint the stock black. He was there to learn and have a good time and he did. He shot very well, better than a lot of guys that showed up with better rigs than he did. After his round he got up and hi fived everyone around him.

Shooting is fun, and you can compete with whatever you want. Now if you are going expecting to win, you might be disappointed with any factory rifle. I agree that Savage or Stevens are a great start and are cheap and fun to shoot. One day you will grow out of it and you can upgrade the barrel and whatever you want or get a full blown custom rifle then. You got nothing to lose, thats what the EE is here for.
 
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