German Nazi Flag

regardless of any idealology, displaying a piece of history is neither correct, not incorrect. Its a piece of history, regardless if anyone is offended by it or not. just because someone finds it offensive doenst mean it wrong.
one could say that a jew could find it offensive
one could also say that a nazi finds jews offensive.


Beautiful flag BTW
 
That flag would make some fine tinder. :D j/k

I agree, forget the museum if all they'll do is catalog it and stash it away in some dark drawer. If you had a german Mauser from the war, you wouldn't give it away to a museum, would you? :)

It's a nice piece of history you have there, something to show your kids someday and tell them "This banner was once feared by millions, but we helped in putting an end to that".
 
Speaking of finding things in a box. A fellow was digging through a box of old uhjiforms at a yard sale. At the bottom, of the box he noticed a jacket. He paid a few dollars for the entire contents.
The "jacket" at the bottom of the box was a
BERDAN SHARPSHOOTERS JACKET
with the mans name inside!:D
 
riker said:
My wife found it in a box of cloth that her mother was going to give away.
Her mothers father recieved it just after WWII from a war vet. Glad she looked through that box before it went to the Sally Ann.
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I guess it is in good shape as it was never hung to a wall because the owner respected war veterans or had grim feelings about it. I would honour that and show it only occasionally as a conversation piece. A respectful approach to history, like to firearms, is always advisable.

Martin

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John Sukey said:
Speaking of finding things in a box. A fellow was digging through a box of old uhjiforms at a yard sale. At the bottom, of the box he noticed a jacket. He paid a few dollars for the entire contents.
The "jacket" at the bottom of the box was a
BERDAN SHARPSHOOTERS JACKET
with the mans name inside!:D
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"California Joe" ;)
 
never give anything to a museum. most of the people working in them have there own agendas , that are not taking care of your priceless artifact. and chances are they have 10 allready in storage some place , that will never be seen by the public. and left to rot
and get thrown out with the garbage....
 
Wow... people are offended by the swastica... it's a symbol of good luck, just because it was used with evil intent for a period of time does not change that fact.

I'm sure it's easier to blame a flag for all the hate that has gone on in this world rather than the individuals responsible for it.

Isn't this the same kind of thing we're fighting as firearms owners? To separate fact from fiction?

At the end of the day it is a beautiful flag that represents a period of history in our world and there is nothing wrong with keeping it and displaying it respectfully. Now if you flew it from a flag pole, fenced off your yard and started keeping your neighbors hostage it might be more of a problem.

My wife is German and says if you don't want the flag she'll take it off your hands!
 
Fixit said:
regardless of any idealology, displaying a piece of history is neither correct, not incorrect. Its a piece of history, regardless if anyone is offended by it or not. just because someone finds it offensive doenst mean it wrong.
one could say that a jew could find it offensive
one could also say that a nazi finds jews offensive.


Beautiful flag BTW
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wow, everyone in this thread is now dumber for having seen you compare the offensiveness of an ideology that preaches extermination of a race to the existence of an entire race.................
 
gaff said:
never give anything to a museum. most of the people working in them have there own agendas , that are not taking care of your priceless artifact. and chances are they have 10 allready in storage some place , that will never be seen by the public. and left to rot
and get thrown out with the garbage....
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:confused:

Museums and their archives are intended to preserve history not discard it.

Where did you come up with this idea?
 
When a person displays a flag of any type he is publicly declaring an affinity to what the flag represents. It makes a statement about his beliefs.

I wouldn't put a flag inside my home that I wouldn't fly on my front lawn.

Should a Nazi flag come my way I'd give it to a museum on the condition it were going to be used to remind current generations of the atrocities that were committed beneath it.
 
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gaff said:
never give anything to a museum. most of the people working in them have there own agendas , that are not taking care of your priceless artifact. and chances are they have 10 allready in storage some place , that will never be seen by the public. and left to rot
and get thrown out with the garbage....
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I beg to differ.

Museums are like any other place, some good folks, some not so good. Not all museums are the same, I'll agree to that.

I worked for 14 years for a Museum. We were very careful dealing with donations. Proper paper trail, starting from the first phone call from a person enquiring about the process to donate. People I worked with were the best in the field in ensuring proper preservation of the artifacts.

It's a good thing to ask questions first if you're going to give an artifact to a Museum, and some will be ok with conditions you may want specified in the letter they'll give you (I've seen things like "The item shall not be traded or sold to any other institutions or individuals, it should remain in the possession of the Museum and serve for education and research purpose only").

That flag could serve to get discussions like the one taking place in this thread happen in other places too, and the basement of its current owner is one of them :)
 
louthepou said:
I beg to differ.

Museums are like any other place, some good folks, some not so good. Not all museums are the same, I'll agree to that.

I worked for 14 years for a Museum. We were very careful dealing with donations. Proper paper trail, starting from the first phone call from a person enquiring about the process to donate. People I worked with were the best in the field in ensuring proper preservation of the artifacts.

It's a good thing to ask questions first if you're going to give an artifact to a Museum, and some will be ok with conditions you may want specified in the letter they'll give you (I've seen things like "The item shall not be traded or sold to any other institutions or individuals, it should remain in the possession of the Museum and serve for education and research purpose only").

That flag could serve to get discussions like the one taking place in this thread happen in other places too, and the basement of its current owner is one of them :)
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We've gone pretty sideways with this ;)

Point about the Museum is that this flag isn't rare or special enough to warrant inclusion in a display. It will be boxed up (carefully, yes) and then forgotten.

"That flag could serve to get discussions like the one taking place in this thread happen in other places too, and the basement of its current owner is one of them :)"

Couldn't agree more.

"I wouldn't put a flag inside my home that I wouldn't fly on my front lawn."

LOL. I got a lot of stuff in my house I'm not going to put on my front lawn.
 
I have used Nazi flags in displays in the past, one actually in a high school. As long as the flag is displayed in the proper manner (not in the back window of your pickup truck or in the living room window of your house) I don't have any problem with it. In fact, I think its is wrong to try to hide these things away and pretend they don't exist. In my mind that is the same as trying to say the assocciated events didn't happen. We need to be reminded of our past so that we hopefully don't repeat the bad/stupid parts.

Mankind in general has a very short memory.

P.S. Sorry, but I don't have good grasp of the value of these flags. If I had to guess, I would think it should be worth at least $150-$200.
 
Hmm, we've gotten off track here. I was looking for information about the flag and a value.
I want' looking for the morality of hanging it in my home. Here is my two cents, I have friends, be it much older then I(I'm 40) that served in WWII, all want to see the flag. I've got a good friend I see on a daily basis, he's Jewish, his comment was "wow that's cool" and before you ask, he's in his mid fifties. I emailed a friend of mine in NY, also Jewish, he collects just about everything and commented, "that looks mint" Want to sell it" My father is a Korean war vet, I bought him a hat that says "Korean War Vet" it came with a copy of his ribbons on it, and yes he does wear it. Don't know of anyone he has offended. He also drives a KIA, made in you guessed it Korea. I guess he is just a very forgiving man, seeing as those peoples ancestors were shooting at him. My wife drives a VW, German made.
I had not planned on displaying the flag, but if I did it doesn't mean that I'm a "skin head".
Although I don't collect WWII type stuff, I do think this is a rather unique piece that I wouldn't and haven't hesitated to show anyone that posed an interest.
Lets all take a breath now, tell me about the flag, where it was flown from, approx value. My research so far in this condition suggests 650 erus, about 800 to 1200 US
Thanks
Riker
 
Rupert said:
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Museums and their archives are intended to preserve history not discard it.

Where did you come up with this idea?
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Well, I heard it from a former cabinet minister of the BC government who was not only a well-known historian and an expert on Canadiana, but had an intimate knowledge of the museums in BC, large and small. He felt that about 50% of them had a serious theft problem; or "misappropriation" as it is politely called. In one case the curator's wife had an antique store...

I remember volunteering in one of the larger ones myself and it was interesting to go through the old artifact cardfile and see how many pieces had simply disappeared. Old firearms were a prime target BTW.
 
What a great piece of modern history. Good idea to keep it, (regardless of your method to display). I would bet that pieces like this in personal collections reaches as many people as a museum piece, plus it is made more relevant almost, because of the personal story. I am of Polish decent, (non Jewish, that is why I am here). My father was born in a concentration camp at the end of the war, and his 2 sisters, (still alive) and parents spent the duration there. We have a few artifacts, the most significant is my Grandpa's work permit he was issued by the nazi's after they were captured. It even has signitures from German officers in it.
It is imperitive not to forget the past or it will be repeated.
 
Nice flag, really cool. I guess that these days the only way to hang it on a wall and NOT offend someone would be to hang a few other period flags beside it (Russia, US, Canada). That way you'd at least have an axis/allied balance on your wall, lol! (which makes it more "legit" for today's political correctness).

On another note, when I was younger, I went to a video game store called "Microplay". I asked the guy if he had a Playstation first-person-shooter (FPS) game that went by a certain name (the first one from the "Medal of Honor" series, I believe). The guy immediately got offended and replied something like "we don't carry that garbage, because it has nazi swastikas in it!" (the game was not even about glorifying nazis in any way, but about WWII history).

Anyway, I laughed at the guy and called him a fool (in a polite, politically correct way ;) ), for anyone who forgets the mistakes of the past is bound to repeat them. I also added that trying to forget about what happened during WWII is actually the greatest insult to the memory of every single Holocaust victim. The guy had nothing to answer to that and just stood there... I then promptly left his politically correct & socialist-infested store and never went back.

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